Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Yes something needs to be done on the Med crossings but good luck stopping them. Remember these people will be absolutely desperate. What about those that cross water in containers or commercial boats? It's big business for criminal organisations already. As I said, the EU is a sieve. The policing required will be immense. Currently all the pressure is on Italy, Greece, Turkey etc.

The EU won't stop the mass migration though. It's like saying you will stop drugs getting into Ireland in large quantities, impossible.

Great to hear that oodles of €millions are to be spent on Thornton Hall and elsewhere to provide modular housing for asylum/refugee folk.

Now that's something that will take the pressure off the hotels and allow them have a tourist season, albeit an expensive one for the visitors. I am also sure that Joe and Mary and their three kids on the housing list this past five years will be delighted to hear this news. They won't mind waiting around for a modular home, or a home of any sort for their family. Nope they will surely not mind who gets housed before them. Of course, to say anything else immediately labels them as Right Wing racist activists. Correct? So they keep their mouths shut and join the the bewildered and brainwashed.

step 1: Build 'temporary' modular housing for migrants

step 2: create new class between homeless & working class that live in these modular shanty towns.

step 3: use housing crisis to transition as many native irish to this new way of living

step 4: turn Ireland into one large favella owned by a vulture fund.

step 5: profit

Time to get the emails going to our EU Parliamentary representatives - MEPs to get their views on this. It seems to me that EU policy on migration is not being realistic about the issue. I can imagine the response...

Ireland as far as I know has a potential exemption/derogation regarding the numbers we take in, sorry not sure where to find the reference. However once again, that is completely ignored. At least the fact that there is a derogation or exemption is acknowledgment of the fact that some countries may find it extremely difficult to support all arrivals. I am not sure if the exception applies to refugees (Ukraine) and/or asylum seekers. Guessing it is refugees. Someone might correct me if I'm wrong.

I think most people just want fairness, and a logical response to the issues being caused all around the country, but not in Dublin 4 and the likes of course. I reckon that many of the commentators who label objectors with the R words do not have to suffer the consequences of it, and probably never will.

From what I understand, the whole issue of derogation from EU law on asylum seekers is seen as very controversial. Critics warn that allowing this to become the norm could cause all manner of problems for the EU further down the line, with the same 'rogue' member states seeking to opt out of other EU laws as well that are not even connected to migration. They also argue that a non unified approach on migration law could be very problematic for the stability of the union (the whole point of EU law is that it applies equally across the EU27 - not having countries dipping in and out of laws they like and don't like).

Which hotel? I'm sure you can name it... if the story is true of course.

I see the hotel Killarney is going back to tourists soon. The little stabbing misunderstanding at Xmas didn't help the poor crayturs getting another year.

I'd say the hotel owners can name their price nowadays to the government.

Well this is the thing: if the government offers them whatever they would be getting for full occupation (plus a premium?) would most hotels, even generally busy ones) not go for that rather than take their chances on the open market?

We were sold a pack of BS…this country is no longer a democratic European nation.

The Ukranian people were coming here for… ‘Temporary Protection’. Right. I called bôllocks on that from minute one.. Temporary Protection status will be replaced by giving them citizenship. Told and sold temporary, but it was and will be permanent. I said this to a friend a few months ago having believed it all along and their suggestion as a compromise would that this would be put to a referendum, which it won’t be, because the government, NGO’s, the left and the Ukranians themselves won’t like the answer of that democratically decided outcome.

100% of this has been undemocratic, unfair and underhanded. So for the government to offer a say, to let the people decide ? Hahaha , not a fûckin chance.

I heard his generals are doing their nut about the amount of time he spends on boards!

You don't police migration like that though. What you do is you make it impossible to live in the country without having a regularised status. That means no amnesties, no tenancy without status, that means no work without status.

Ordinary illegal migration isn't the main issue - it's the refugee status that is. That status places the burden on the State to support the individuals. Take away the support and the problem largely resolves itself as one only has to look at the fall off in arrivals here since capacity was reached and consequently the welfare offering becoming less enticing.

You see, that makes me sad because Irish people are genuinely kind and generous to people in need. I've seen it in the local response to the Ukrainian war. The problem is that we are being taken for absolute mugs by our own government plundering our resources to accommodate every chancer in the world and shoving their own people aside. That kindness and generosity will be gone.