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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 novamalina


    I said I would report back on this so...

    We spoke for about 50 minutes and covered a lot of ground, from primary school up to now (I'm in my 30s) and in all areas of life - work, study, hobbies, ordinary day-to-day activities, relationships, communication, mood etc. etc., and other possible mental health issues.

    I had expected it to take a bit longer but have since seen other ADHD assessment places (e.g. UK based psychiatry practices) say in their online info that it takes about 50 minutes and, given how much we covered in that time as well, I'm not concerned that it was lacking anything.

    She has suggested medication but wasn't pushing it and advised getting ADHD coaching etc. etc. Assuming I do go ahead with the medication we'll have a follow-up session to monitor that.

    Obviously I can only speculate as to whether it was as good/thorough as the video consultation I might otherwise have had with Dr Murtagh but, for me, the ADHD assessment I can have now beats the one I might get in 33 months' time.

    (In case anyone is wondering: €500 total for both the assessment and follow-up).

    Post edited by novamalina on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    500 for one and 500 for the other?

    I'm also on Murtaghs maybe someday list



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 novamalina


    500 total - I've edited it to make it clearer (hopefully!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 freeze66


    Hey,

    I'm having my assessment with Dr Rubeo done tomorrow at 2pm. Do you feel like some preparation/notes would make the assessment experience better? Were you prescribed medication immediately post appointment or is that done after the 2nd? How long between both appointment?

    Thanks in advance. I'm trying to navigate this myself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 novamalina


    I did try to organise my thoughts a bit in advance on topics I thought we might cover - mostly because I knew I might otherwise forget to mention some glaring example of a particular behaviour or tendency.

    Re. medication - I have to get an ECG and blood pressure check and send her the results, then she will issue a prescription. And then the follow-up will be after taking the medication for a period, to see if it's working/levels are correct etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1 AbleMable2023


    Just got my diagnosis from Hazleton today. The report was dreadful, boiler plate template language which seems to be auto generated. It talked about me rather than to me throughout and referred to me as though I am a child or not compus mentus. Really really disappointed in the service especially after spending so much. Now it seems in order to try medication I have to continue with them so not really looking forward to that.



    If anyone has alternative suggestions for psychiatrists who will accept this report and prescribe I would be very grateful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 DotMadden


    Hello, I have just checked the Dr. Online site for the ADHD assessment and it is saying that you need two consultations for ADHD. The first consultation is €590 and the second one is €290?? What did you book for €500 please? Many thanks.





  • I wouldn’t go near Xanax for anything but a short term crisis. The drug in itself is safe for the body but the psych-social problems of addiction can be severe. I promised myself to go for an ADHD assessment as it’s been 6 decades of feel agitated, anxious and distracted, and I know if I took likes of xanax for anything more than a week or two it would be disaster. In meantime I’ve other medical issues to get sorted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    Following up on this post to make people aware of my experience that started positive.

    So I finally met Dr Sean a good few months after the initial month trial. He spoke for 2 hours, about an hour and a half was about himself and what he has done and he asked me very little about myself

    He put me on 56mg of concerta, 150mg venlafaxine for physical anxiety and 0.5mg Xanax 4 times daily and a follow up in 6 weeks.

    My pharmacist told me 4 times a day was a lot and that It's usually just to take the edge off.

    I found that in daily day to day life the Xanax made no difference at all and stopped taking it unless I felt like I needed it.

    The venlafaxine helped with physical anxiety, my legs didn't feel as heavy playing sports, didn't feel like I was going to be sick before big matches, but it made me sweat an awful lot more and made me feel less fit playing sports (shortness of breath and high heart rate compared to usual). If I missed 1 day of taking the tablet I would feel awful and tired in work, and at night I'd sweat so much that the first time it happened I actually taught I wet the bed because what I was wearing and the sheets were soaking wet.

    Anyways my next appointment got cancelled.

    I upped the concerta to 108mg myself and things were slightly better but not life changing as Dr Sean describes it.

    4 weeks later and another zoom appointment cancelled because of a burst pipe in the cold.


    4 weeks again and another phone call appointment cancelled. This time I got told it was running late and moved to 4. And no communication after that until the next day with apologies from Sean himself and that he'd ring me within the hour. He never did.. never replied to my next 2 emails either.

    When they cancelled these appointments I just about managed to get prescriptions renewed but still no official diagnosis. I've decided to go elsewhere but of course now I'm left with the last 10 days of concerta that I've reduced to a lower to make them last longer. And my pharmacist did what he could with my remaining prescription of venlafaxine to try and give me smaller doses to gradually reduce the amount to come off it. (Not enough left to do it the right way unfortunately)


    I cannot believe someone who believes they're the best ADHD doctor in the country and who's research is miles ahead of anyone here or in the UK would leave someone undiagnosed and left trying to get off an antidepressant like venlafaxine by themselves.

    I started this ADHD journey because day to day life was such a struggle when I had so much more responsibilities as a husband and father, but this has just made it worse if anything.


    I'm now back below square one trying to find a doctor who can see me this century whilst dealing with withdrawal symptoms from venlafaxine and mind a 20 month old and 2 month old, and lets not start on how the marriage is going.


    TLDR; Fcuk that BS clinic



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Sorry you had that expereince garv. A google of Dr Sean throws up some interesting findings incl an article in the independent from 2017

    The name "National" centre also indicates it is some kind of government / HSE centre like national rehab centre.

    Seems to be no such thing - very misleading



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    National centre is a room in his house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    There should be some sort of rule about using a term like that for a medical facility - it implies there is oversight at the highest level



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    Does anyone know whether it's a good idea to admit previous illegal drug use to a psychiatrist? I know people say "honesty is the best policy" but from talking to my friends who deal with psychiatrists here and in the States, most of them see you as an immediate red flag and label you a drug-seeker.

    I would hate to have to do a urine test like I've heard happens to people in America.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 DotMadden


    Hi freeze66,


    How did your assessment go? I'm thinking of booking an appointment with Dr Rubeo so any information would be much appreciated.

    Many Thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Period Hotspod


    Shame, embarrassed, horror, of things I said, of things I think I said, of things I may have said but am not sure I said because of lack of self awareness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭LadySkunk


    I think this depends on what way you took illegal drugs in the past. If it was casual every now and then and you had no problem with not taking them then it shouldn't be an issue. A lot of people have taken drugs before myself included but I haven't done in years and never had an addiction of any sort. I was honest about this and had no issues getting medication.

    If you had problems with addiction then it might be an issue and one that should be considered but that could still be monitored and that would be for your own safety. If that was the case and the medication would benefit you I would think it would be a no brainer doing the urine tests to prove you weren't using anything else, you would know yourself nothing would come up.

    I'm not sure if urine testing is even a thing over here though but I'd say someone else might know, that's just my thoughts on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭LadySkunk


    Look I know it's hard to try get away from those feelings but it's done now and you have nothing at all to be ashamed of. You should be really proud of yourself for putting yourself out there and doing it, that's such a huge thing so please try remember that 😊

    If you're worried about things you might not have said maybe try jotting down those random thoughts as they come and bring it up when you have your review? That way you'll know in your heart you'll get everything out on the table and won't have to worry about it



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭LadySkunk


    Jesus Christ just reading this post now that sounds horrific. Did he taper you up on those medications or just put you on the full dose? 150mg of venlafaxine is so high on its own and then with everything else on top of it with no follow up that's extremely negligent. I don't even know who you would report him to but I would strongly suggest looking into it.

    I've been on antidepressants for over ten years on and off and anytime I've started, come off or changed dose I had follow up appointments every two weeks to monitor it. When I started stimulants I had follow ups every week while increasing doses.

    Have you been to your GP at all to talk about the medication? I know your post is from the 26th but I hope you to it sorted, the withdrawals from venlafaxine are horrific I actually can't believe what you've written in your post.

    I'm so sorry that's all happened to you I can't even imagine going through all of it. I really hope that you were able to get the help you needed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    Hi, he put me on 37.5 for 2 days, then 75 for 2 days and then up to 150. I'm glad I didn't take the Xanax 4 times daily as he suggested, it seems that it can be very addictive.

    I had an appointment with my GP on Friday, but it turned out to be a different doctor. (haven't seen my own one in years anyway) I told him the story, and the effects, and struggles, and I may aswel have been talking to the wall.(guess I know how my wife feels now) He barely spoke and said he'd give me 7 more days of 75mg and 35.5mg venlafaxine to slow down the drop to zero.

    Felt fairly disappointed after speaking to a professional yet again, and felt like I was just getting rushed out the door.

    I'm reading now that some people said going cold turkey is nearly easier with venlafaxine than trying to prolong it over a few weeks. Think I'll stick it out for the 3 weeks of 37.5 tho. The GP did say that it will still be tough for a few weeks afterwards.

    He said he can prescribe me the concerta but he'll need a report from a psychiatrist and I'll need an ecg and bloods done.I didn't need any of that before the psychiatrist filled me with drugs. I doubt there's any report done and I've decided I'm not even going to contact them and ask. Luckily I had been asking the clinic I went to, to sort out the other half of the payment I owe them for months and never got details to pay it. I'll cut my losses and spend it elsewhere.

    It's tough and exhausting enough with a 2 month old and 2 year old, but this just makes that seem easy. Luckily I get by on very little sleep.


    I've made an appointment with Dr Rubeo for Thursday. Very costly at 590 For the first appointment and report And 290 for the follow up, but I've no choice at this stage.

    I haven't heard much about her and she had a lot of appointments available but it's a risk I had to take.

    I emailed her some bits and told her about the 108 concerta. She said that was a high dose not to notice much effect and suggested that tyvense might work better for me.

    Fingers crossed!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    Hey how did you get on? I'm booked in for Thursday.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭LadySkunk


    Jesus that's shocking, I've never heard of anti depressants being increased that quickly. They really shouldn't be messed around with, they can cause suicidal thoughts and everything I can't believe they done that.

    God what a nightmare with the GP too! They can be so hit and miss, I've heard very similar stories for people and it just breaks my heart. I know how hard it is to even think about getting yourself there when you're not mentally okay and then not getting the help you need off those that are meant to can be soul destroying. I don't even know what the best approach to coming off the venlafaxine would be, I haven't had to lower dose but I know I've had times where my meds have ran out and the withdrawals from just one day have been awful so I think doing it as you are could be a good idea.

    My heart really goes out to you, having kids and other responsibilities then all of this on top of it is just awful I can't even begin to image what you must be feeling. I hope Dr Rubeo is able to help and give you the support you need. When you're feeling better too I would recommend looking into finding a new GP too, you need someone on your side you can go to with stuff like this especially who won't let you be messed around.

    Best of luck with it all and let us know how you're getting on 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭alanzo27


    Hi all. I have been reading your comments. I hope everyone is doing well. 😊

    Incoming text wall. I apologise in advance. 😅

    I finally obtained the final report for Autism with the initial consultations that I had attended in 2020. This report is completely different to the report I received from the Adult Autism Practice. It concluded that I did not meet the criteria for Autism as per the DSM-V Manual and that my symptoms were consistent with GAD. (If I hear this mentioned again I will cry). However, this report is very clinical in nature which included cognitive abilities and various IQ tests. and did not take into account the "masking" techniques that I have acquired over my lifetime due to necessity. I also believe that because I am gay, I present with "symptoms" more typical with women that are Autistic, and that there is a "missing link" here that needs to be observed. It also took into consideration parental input which I believe is an inherent flaw due to the lack of observations during childhood.

    I feel this approach to assessment is outdated, and the tools used to identify autistic adults may be inaccurate. The Psychologist in question also did not specialise in identifying Autism. They no longer offer adult assessments. I want to emphasise that I do not doubt that Psychologist's abilities, and that as humans we are all consistently learning. There were many issues beyond the control of the assessor, such as COVID-19 and communication difficulties with the third party Centre which offered consulting space for assessors.

    The Adult Autism Practice (later abbreviated to TAAP) are revolutionary in my opinion and are extensively researching neurodiversity and identifying links with other co-occurrences. They have also developed their own modern screening process in addition to best practice regarding assessments in line with the DSM-V TR and ICD-11 Manuals. I have become increasingly interested in neurodiversity and shall continue to follow TAAP with their developments. Their post assessment support is also outstanding. I am at the infancy of my Autistic discovery, and I have a lot more work to do in order to accept my self identity.

    Regarding the use of Venlafaxine, it is an awful SNRI and I am making an appointment tomorrow to discuss tapering off it. I am currently taking 225mg. My dosage was increased a further 37.5mg from 187.5mg as I had discussed with my GP that perhaps a higher dosage may be beneficial. I initially believed that it was helping with regards to anxiety, intrusive thoughts and rumination ("Pure" OCD). However, the benefits have plateaued and the side effects have become increasingly worse. Increased sweating, higher blood pressure, decreased appetite, anger, irritability, migraine, worsened executive function and memory, worsened motivation, and others. I have been trying various SSRI's and SNRI's for more than a decade, and I have found no changes to mood or other difficulties. In some instances they have made me feel worse.

    Regarding ADHD, I shall be pursuing the possibility of being neurodivergent in multiple ways. During my assessment with The Adult Autism Practice, it was identified that I possibly have the Inattentive Type of ADHD, Dyscalculia as well as other co-occurrences such as Complex PTSD (C-PTSD) due to having no supports during my lifetime and the lack of emotional support at home due to the possibility of one parent being Autistic as well. I initially suspected a Cluster B Personality Disorder (NPD) with one of my parents, however I believe that has been a coping mechanism as one of my parents had a difficult childhood and lack of understanding during the 1950's. Their traits are strikingly similar to mine.

    It was suggested that I consider consulting with the following for ADHD assessment, however it was noted that resources for ADHD are virtually non-existent and that these services may not align with the process that TAAP. I have posted the links below so that it may also benefit others.


    EDIT: I am unsure if this is allowed or possible, but I suggest the title of this thread be renamed to something like "Neurodiversity Advice & Discussion" or "Autism, ADHD & Neurodiversity Advice & Discussion" as there are similarities between them and reading the discussions and opinions of others regarding these areas is both interesting and beneficial. 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Trimor


    My 21 year old son has an appointment with Hazelton Clinic in Cork, but having read some bad reviews I am worried it will be a waste of time and money.

    Does anyone here have a good experience with them? I'm wondering if an appointment with Dr Rubeo might be a better option? Any recommendations for her?

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Trimor


    Hi, I was wondering if you have any further thoughts on Dr Rubeo a month on from your appointment with her? Thank you



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tittybiscuits


    Hi folks,

    It's great to find this thread as I have recently started exploring ADHD and of course a lot of people are pretty dismissive of the condition, so reading all this supportive content is great. Not to go into too much detail, but I'm a 44 year old male and I've been researching this a lot lately and it all makes so much sense to me.

    I'm lucky I have a good gp, he has experience working in mental health and is one of the few doctors I have ever dealt with that wasn't aloof and/or dismissive. I emailed all the names on the ADHD Ireland website, heard back from 4 - Dr Alan Murtagh has a great reputation but a waiting list of 3 years, another is in the centre of Dublin and has a wait time of 16 weeks so I've booked in with him, Dr Dujmovic.

    I can share my experiences after I get assessed if anyone is interested. I'm still not 100% that I have ADHD, it may be something else, but after researching it a fair bit it makes a lot of sense, I've always struggled with work, friendships and social situations. I've always been made to feel like I'm thick and I really don't think I am.

    Anyway if anyone reads this thank you, and I hope you all get whatever help you need and deserve. There seems to have been a lot of press about ADHD recently and that has led to an inevitable negative backlash. Be kind to yourselves and try and block out that shite.

    N

    PS Apologies for the rant!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Trimor


    Hi Freeze 66

    I would love to know what you think of your assessment with Dr Rubeo please? I am considering her for my son and would like to know more about her. Did you fill in a questionnaire beforehand or was it solely based on the 1st session?

    Thank you in advance



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Trimor


    Hi garv123

    I would love to know what you think of Dr Rubeo? I am looking for someone for my son and wonder if she is good?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    Im afraid to comment at the minute after I gave a positive review too soon on the last guy who screwed me around for a year.

    The appointment was an hour long and it was very rushed, I definitely felt like she needed more time to hear what I had to say. I knew what I wanted to say because I've done this assessment before with someone else. I also emailed her information about my previous issues and why I need a new assessment, but just like the rest of them it seems like they don't even look at any of that because its not in the 500euro/hour window, and she was surprised when I said I was already on medication.


    So for now I'm going to continue tapering off Concerta and venlafaxine for the next few days and she is then going to give me a prescription for Vyvanse to see if that has any effect on me.


    As I said we only spoke for an hour but at least I'm moving forward and trying new meds so that's one big positive.


    Also don't book through Dr.Online, email her directly because it is cheaper that way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Trimor


    Thank you so much for your reply garv123.

    I have emailed her directly and she got back to me quickly. It sounds like it was a bit rushed and unsatisfactory and my concern is that it's not a proper assessment given the short time frame. Did she provide a questionnaire before the appointment or is her diagnosis based on that one hour?

    Best of luck with the new medication. At least you have someone to turn to now when you need her.

    All the best



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Hi all,


    I'm self diagnosed, on Dr. Murtaghs list, but I've recently started CBT with my local HSE centre.

    I'm surprised at the results I'm getting, 4 weeks in. I'm better at remembering to do things, and I'm sticking to most of my homework.

    I wasn't sure if CBT could help me, but it definitely is. We're working from a workbook called "Mastering your adult ADHD - A Cognitive Behavioural Treatment Program". We've pretty much done a chapter a week and we're on chapter 6 (out of 14).

    Ithasn't been all lollipops and rainbows, I had a massive setback the week before last, and the therapist was very cool about it. "We're not after perfectionism" is the motto of the sessions!



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