Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Ireland is solely an economy, a view pushed by many pro immigrant people, relies totally on this narrative. While of course we need a stable economy, there's way too much focus on propping up our modern economic system, a system that largely doesn't benefit the people that much. It's a system that benefits corporations and businesses first, and we get some benefits from that of course, but considering the worsening of our conditions based on said need, it's questionable overall how much we as the people of the state need it.

We always here about how rich and prosperous Ireland is due to the modern economy, but how many of you actually feel it? How do we see it in our daily lives? There's no benefit to being rich, if the money is never well spent, which seems to always be in the case in this country.

On the last point, we have various legal obligations. We simply cannot opt out of international refugee law and other human rights conventions such as the ECHR. Apart from even the legality of it, morally and ethically it would be a very bad look for the country and its reputation : we are neither Brexit UK or Orban's Hungary.

Those two countries don't seem to give a flying fig if they shred their reputation on the international stage, but as a small export led economy, we are hardly in a position to copy them.

You've pretty much summed up the Irish dilemma. Even outside of economic need, even if there was none, you'd all still care greatly about self-image. If self-image puts the nation in harms way, what good is self-image? The best nations are ones that govern themselves based on the needs of the people and not the wants of our new globalist/internationalist world. It even seems to subvert the intent of a nation, that being an area that's ran for the good of the people, and not the international community as a whole. "You can't save the world", was once established wisdom, yet now for some crazy reason some people think that they can. .

How's Denmark getting on having their prime minister saying they want zero asylum seekers in future? Are they a pariah state nowadays now that their politicians have stopped hiding behind various legal obligations? I must have missed it if they are! Won't somebody think of the NGOs!

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen recently announced that Denmark's goal is to receive 'zero' asylum seekers

The Danes are like a different breed. European, but not as embedded in the dogma as the rest of us are. They tried to play the game, and saw that it didn't work, and changed their ways. The fact that it was left leaning parties who brought about a lot of this too is very telling, as you'll never see that in Ireland or England.

Sorry this is complete bollox, unskilled migration will likely be a net cost to the state.

This pay for our pensions thing is complete crap, why not put some effort into helping working people have kids?

More power to them. I did say more and more countries would go it alone until the EU come up with a long term and credible plan to manage higher and higher numbers. How will Denmark cope with illegal border crossings? They have 2 land borders and lots of coastline. The Baltic is shallow and relatively benign.

We are an ageing population because people can't afford to have kids.

To afford to rent or buy a house in most cases it requires both parents working.

That's if they are lucky enough to find somewhere to live.

While they are working they need to pay ridiculous creche fees.

They pay high tax and at the end of the month have very little to show for it.

Maybe the government should be coming up with ideas to help out irish citizens that makes it affordable to have kids.

We require legal immigrants who come here to work and contribute to the country.

We don't need people who are coming here for economic reasons and will be a drain on the country.

The money being wasted on these people would be better used on supporting irish couples.

But the point would also be that even if a government in western Europe was genuine about a 'no refugees' or 'low refugees' policy, it would be very difficult to get that past EU law, international refugee law and various human rights conventions.

I've seen lots of talk about Denmark passing anti-refugee legislation two or three years ago, but again like the Tory Brexiteers, there has been a lot of showboating from the previous right wing government, very few asylum seekers have been deported and plenty are still arriving.

"A Ugandan asylum seeker is asking the High Court to declare that the United Kingdom cannot be declared a safe third country while it continues its policy of relocating some migrants to Rwanda."

"Mr Justice Charles Meenan questioned whether the Irish court would be allowed not to recognise the decision of London’s high court. He directed the applicant to notify the respondents – the Minister for Justice and the International Protection Appeals Tribunal – of the application seeking leave, which allows an applicant to pursue judicial review of a decision."

"The man wants the High Court to quash the tribunal’s decision to affirm the IPO’s recommendation to deem his application inadmissible. He should not be returned to the UK while his judicial review case is in being and the court should declare that the UK is not a safe third country, he says. He alleges the tribunal erred in finding his contention that he would be removed to Rwanda “premature”."

Major implications for the asylum system if people can't be sent back to the UK

This so called asylum seeker was a student in the Uk in 2010, then claimed asylum when his visa expired, then got married, got divorced and suddenly aiming to be classed as a refugee in Ireland 13 yesrs later!!

And he has nothing to do with Ireland. We owe him nothing.

We are paying for his free hotel, food and living allowance and legal fees. wtf.

Put him back on the next boat .

If he gets away with this watch the situation get 10x worse as they flood over here. This discredits the entire system

It will also create massive pressure on freedom of movement to stop.

Germany's population after ww2 was 80 million today it's 83 million and it's still a vibrant economy. You don't need to have a large population growth to have a healthy economy.

McDowell said this eighteen years ago when he was Minister for Justice. He'd probably be imprisoned under our upcoming hate speech legislation if he said it now. Imagine if we'd got control of things then, how many billions would have been saved.

The German population in 1946 was 65 million (East and West).