Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Jaysus that's a big spend. Can you name the top 10? I presume the vast majority have a domestic spend only?

19500! 😲

This includes about 4000 schools, a huge swathe of the disability services in Ireland, sporting organisations, arts groups, community centres, religious groups, trade unions, professional bodies etc

So yeah that 5.5 billion is mostly funding things like schools, sports halls, community centres, disability centres, arts centres, housing (through housing bodies)

Show us your work. How is "most" of said funding going to the aforementioned? I'm genuinely curious how you've reached that conclusion. You must have some data that I'm unaware of that breaks said spending down. I actually can't see the article, so maybe it's in there already.

People in this thread seem to be all over the place - describing most asylum seekers who come to Ireland as "economic migrants", when they are clearly fleeing bad or oppressive situations in their own country.

But any asylum seeker has the full potential to become a taxpayer and contributor to society. Germany literally took this approach in 2015 when it said that the 1m Syrian refugees were actually needed by the economy and their arrival was a good thing. People don't claim asylum in another country in order to live in a refugee centre for years - their prime motivation is to make a life for themselves and earn a living, not just 'exist'.

I've seen an estimate that around 70% of the Channel dinghy people heading to the UK are coming from countries with genuine proven refugee crises such as Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen etc.

All of this 'economic migrants' and 'chancers' stuff is disingenuous. The vast majority of people who claim asylum in Europe are actual refugees. It's a much smaller number of people who are not fleeing war or oppression or extreme poverty and trying to abuse the system.

I doubt every school is counted as a separate ngo

I’m not doubting you but you mind sharing a link to where you are getting your information that 4000 of 19500 ngos are schools?

Here. It clearly says 3965 are schools.

https://benefactslegacy.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/benefacts-nonprofit-sector-analysis-2021.pdf

And the French and the North Africans, the British with the Pakistanis/Bangladeshis. I mean, Germany didn't even have the imperial baggage that's usually blamed for this incompatibility. Nor does Ireland or Sweden, but the same patterns emerge. It's just that some cultures don't live easily or happily together because they're too different. It's an unpalatable truth.

Odd that you talk about the number of schools when in reality it's a relatively small percentage of what makes up non profit organisations.

Here's a snippet from the pdf you kind of linked to...

Here's a breakdown of how these organisations line up in terms of organisation type.

Where this becomes of note in this type of discussion is "advocacy, law, politics"...

Where there's several hundred organisations (448) fitting into this bracket.

Viewed against the backdrop of the rest of the organisations in the graph it seem insignificant but having 448 advocacy/political NGO type organisations in a country the size of Ireland is a little odd to say the least.

On the whole it seems like there's a bit of a gold rush for government funding for all sorts of organisations.

It cannot be over-emphasised, they risk their lives crossing the channel from a place of safety. They are not fleeing from war or oppression in France.

Whether they should have safe and legal means to seek asylum in the UK is a matter for the Brits, but they are not being forced to leave France. They have already made it into the EU. Loitering around the French coast is a choice they have chosen of their own free will.

It is disingenious to equate these people with those trapped in a war zone, fleeing from real and present danger, desperate for refuge.

I know that sounds harsh, but we have to cop on to that reality.

FWIW, figures from 2023 so far have seen Indians shoot up to third place for channel crossings.

We're a fairly light shade of green ourselves! At least that explains everything you need to know about how we ended up as "modern Ireland".

Jesus talk about misrepresenting what I said. I wasn't agreeing with your interpretation. Also if you had the correct, older, document, with the actual related figures, why would you use a more recent one where the figures have no comparative ability in the context? And that 2017 document there is no figure for schools, so you took two reports, with different figures, separated by 5 years. Same organisation or not, you cannot compare figures in the way you're doing here.