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  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Might be difficult to do when so well practiced (or potentially salaried to do it down at Orwell Rd.) :P

    Nearly filled out my Bingo card on this one. Can someone ring Orwell and get us a new one? To their credit there’s a lot more life to the threat trolling this time and it’s interesting to see how triggering they are about the washing machine rumor :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Someone has been working extra overtime



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Whatever about chips in washing machines, the big story is the theft of toilets. At the rate they were being stolen, it’s As of February 2022 was the first time that Russians ever saw toilets, and discovered that they can be used indoors, rather than in their back yard. When they master copying them (it won’t be any time soon because they are not used to high quality manufacturing) it should move Russian hygiene to the early 1900’s. I wonder how long it would then take to master hand washing….



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,200 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    But the chips aren't consumer and that's the point. It's not like someone could walk out with a load of Arduino chips or some raspberry pi's. They are "specialised" in that they're built by foundries for industry. A washing machine will have chips for everything from touch screens to wifi, fault detection and other stuff. You might be able to repurpose an consumer chip to do some but it will take a lot of coding to rewrite everything for different silicon. You have to make sure it works with all the other components. It has to be able to withstand the physical strains of use (washing machines for example will have a lot of vibrations). And even if you're successful, most retail places don't carry huge amounts of them. It's a niche hobbyist market.

    There was even a point near the end of the pandemic where western car makers were scavenging appliances for chips. If it was as simple as just popping into a shop or ordering them from a hobbyist shop, then they would have done it. This way they get the same or very similar chip that they're already using. And they can pop it in. And it will work with everything else that's in the car.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Isn't the point of the chips that russia has no modern fabrication capacity, thus has to grab generic chips from wherever it can? Also that what it grabs from consumer goods won't be military grade and more likely to malfunction, which is a very bad thing when they are controlling bombs.

    Yes, they could fall back to 50s and 60s tech, but that's a lot of retooling and much more custom production with less capabilities than modern weapons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There is this, and it's a far wider problem for them than just stripping over devices for their boards. Russian tech (especially military tech) produced since the end of the Cold War had access to Western components and had been designed to use them. Now that suppily is either gone, or very tightly restricted to the point of making supplies a logisitical challenge...and this in a state where logistics does not appear to be their strong suit.

    They have to settle for whatever the Chinese will throw at them, and China is going to probably just give them what they normally produce for their domestic market. Quality there, as I've mentioned before, is piss poor. Russia is an ideal captive market for them now, and they know well they can get away with sending any crap they want.

    Russia really need to produce their own micro-technologies, but with their brightest either escaped the country or rotting as corpses in the fields around Bakmut, I don't see that happening soon or frankly at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭Field east


    Am surprised with you being English. Do you not follow the news! The only squirrels inthe UK are from the wild and the squirrel catchers are gone on strike because they are not getting paid enough. It was in the news but the importance of it probably has got lost/smothered amongst the news on all the other strikes. It’s hard to keep up!!!!!!!!!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    I'm not English... French are on strike more than the UK at the moment, just for contrast.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    I think end game is Russian/Chinese partnership after taking Taiwan .... China just aren't ready from a military perspective just yet to take that step...

    Although I'd say there's a lot of knock of western chips being sent in via China... wouldn't surprise me if they have the same branding to disguise that China are the supplier...

    Russia just lacks everything for a strong manufacturing element... The EU and US are only ramping up arms manufacturing lines at the moment, it's not a case of Russia being superior, they have just had long time up and running.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Bitcoin


    After the orc propaganda assault of Bakhmut falling, it's still in the hands of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Bitcoin




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I think Taiwan was on the cards soon for China if Russia had actually succeeded in taking Kyiv in that first week. But since they have failed, and more importantly since Ukraine has been able to fight back as a NATO-armed proxy, I feel the plan to take Taiwan may have been binned for now.

    Ukraine has sort of underlined that NATO troops don't nessisarily need to be present to hold back Soviet-derived forces. The PLA are certainly motivated, and well armed, but a lot of that is just updated versions of cloned Soviet tech. Tactical culture within the PLA's command is also not really tested in actual battle. It could be that they are little better in a fight than the Russians have been and previous wars have shown the PLA to also prefer human wave attacks. An assault like that against beaches defended with NATO-grade tech & tactics are the ingredients for a potental PLA bloodbath.

    The US has been more open than usual about their support for Taiwan lately, so I suspect that they'll remained armed to the point of not needing US troops to defend themselves.

    As for Russia; I feel that their capacity overall is being worn down by this war. Not just supplies, but also manpower to keep things going and to maintain things. You see a lot of fires reported at factories across Russia, but I feel that these aren't sabotage, that they are result of abandoned maintainence and the elimination of a safety culture that was barely there to begin with. I get the impression of a nation that is in a mad scramble to throw anything and everything it has at Ukraine (and damn the consquences) in the hope that they'll win before it's too late and they have nothing left to back up that fight.

    The Russian Federation is not the Soviet Union, and unless they get their act together soon (or *yesterday*) you can probably lob off "Federation" from that name in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Bitcoin


    More and more orc whingeing, the mobiks are not happy and increasingly so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    And yet still 20%+ of Ukraine is still under the Russians control despite the whole of the US and EU pumping them with weapons and money.

    Doesn't say much for the Ukrainian army?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,486 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You think they would look tiredfrom all the Russians they have to shoot every day

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,422 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Nice short summary of what happened in Vuhledar





  • Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭Field east


    Germany is never mentioned as a posssibility behind. The explosion. The following is a possibility :-

    germany , OFFICIALLY, wanted to give RU the impression that it wanted to continue trading with RU at some level. There was resistance within the German gov against the severity of the sanctions. The Ger gov decided to give a certain amount of arms and arms related equipment to Uke but over time - throughout 2022- the amount was reduced and there was no time schedule given re when supply would be transferred. There was even talk of stuff being in bad condition, less stuff available than the Ger gov originally thought available . There was a lot of ‘foot dragging’ going on which would favour Ru. So , overall, the Ger Gov wanted to give the impression to Ru that it is a very reluctant partner in the coilision of countries supporting Ukr and therefor be first in when German companies are touting for business in rebuilding Russian controlled area when the ‘war’ ends

    BUT, BUT, BUT German Gov,, deep down, probably came to the conclusion, that it has no future trading with Russia - especially in oil and gas - because (a) it now see the true Ru colours re what it is really trying to do eg conquests,- East Germany is in there as well asUkr, etc, etc.- international tentacles of an undesirable type, (b) can hold it to ransome at any time (c) now that the international community know what Ru/Putin is really about it wants nothing to do with same and Germany is of the opinion that the Int community would be ‘very unhappy’ with Germany if it continued to do business with Ru. I would fear for the Eau if that was the case.

    so, IMO , it suited Ger that the pipe was ‘decommissioned - obviously without it being fingered. It felt that it had no future going forward and Germany would doing ITS BIT’ to put real pressure on Russia and support Ukr in a very big and ongoing way and that Ru must be ‘stopped in its tracks’

    THERE IS A PRECIDENT - practiced by the cleverest of them all. Remember when Bertie told Albert that he is voting for him as presidential candidate and would even show Albert his voting paper but , behind the scenes ,Bertie was going around a number of the other eligible voters to get them to vote for Brian Lehinan - his preferred canditate



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    16 % if I remember correctly .

    An army that barely existed a few years ago is holding off the 2nd biggest military power in the world,and in a lot of cases defeating them, embarrassing them is a better word.

    Save the alternative views



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Nah China was never in position to move on Taiwan this soon.

    If China halted a decision to invade Taiwan based on Ukraine fighting back, then that is just plain stupid. The reason Ukraine can fight is down to the size of Ukraine. The challenge for China is Taiwan being an island.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Dunno, Ukraine haven't done badly at all. They are still David to Russia's Goliath.

    The "West" delivered far more economic aid and arms into both Iraq and Afghanistan, including lots of their own soldiers to work the weapons and that did not seem to have anything like the same positive effect (as regards supporting "friendly" govts. there + maintaining them in power).

    The classes of weapons being given to Ukraine (so far) are quite limited, and there's no prospect of hordes of Western "advisors" alighting in the country to fly aircraft, drones. etc., drive tanks, or fire long range missiles at Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Bitcoin


    A lot of the good stuff hasn't even made it to the front, and we're only scratching the surface of what will come in the future.

    A LOT of your orc friends are going to die before this is all over. Maybe you should say a few decades of the rosary for them, or something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    That's some impressive mental gymnastics to put down the AFU.

    Ukraine never claimed to be a major military power; russia did. Ukraine has 28% of the population of russia. Wrap your head around those facts and try to post the same nonsense again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭Field east


    Ru , because of its international /foreign/ tentacles /policy has developed ‘friendships with 2 nd and 3rd world countries. Ukr in the meantime had no such strategy. It just wanted to get on with its development since its freedom in 1991.

    i wonder of the same 2nd and 3rd world countries will still feel the same towards Ru after this Special Mission is over !?

    situations do not stay the same for ever. A change in one part of a system can have knock on effects in other parts of the system.

    As an aside re 2nd and 3rd world countries. Why are thousands of individuals from those Ru friendly countries making their way to Ru unfriendly countries?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve



    To Paraphrase The Simpsons:

    Meat Assault?

    I thought they closed that place down?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭Field east


    hi MOD, should all posts relating to chips be transferred to the fish and chips thread or some other food related thread. I find all the chip posts extremely confusing eg. Unless I am really on the ball/ bright as a button I am reading on the see where fish might also get an airing



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you know the difference between soviet union and Russia?ill tell you,economy and politics,you will figure it out.

    At the end of the Cold War, the Soviet Bloc represented 9% of the world’s population and 10.5% of its economy, measured at purchasing-power parity (PPP). The equivalent numbers for Russia and its allies (the ‘Putin Bloc’) in 2020 are 2.5% and 3.5%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The AFU have continued to hold off a much larger force, including a multi-front assault on their own capital and despite daily carpet bombing of their positions ever since.

    The Ukrainians have not only shown themselves to be better soldiers in this fight compared to your lads, but that they are superb fighers who can use intelligence, skill and determination against their enemy.

    When the books of this war are written, there will be tales of how Ukraine went above & beyond in their fight to protect themselves, and how the Russians showed the world the decaying underbelly of thier Soviet-era war machine. There will be much to say about the Ukrainian Army, and most of that will be positive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Will there even be a Russian Federation after the Ukrainians drive the Russian army back to the internationally recognised borders?

    Putin's grasp on power looks shakier than ever and a military embarrassment this large (where most of the canon fodder has come from the provinces) on top of almost inevitable total economic collapse is surely going to lead to some member states deciding they're better off looking West towards the EU or East towards China than remaining in the Federation with a dictator who's wasted most of his military power.

    It'll be hard to feel sympathy for the Russians if/when it falls into civil war with it's various political leaders (i.e. warlords and mafiosi) slaughtering all around them in an attempt to seize control of elements of the nuclear arsenal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    What about the guys that invented a stick that comes back to you when you throw it away? Who would have thought?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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