Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

He probably loves his quiet time.

The damage done here is that in addition to be homeschooled from the accounts that I've seen here the family has isolated themselves from everyone outside of their family. From what it sounds like evangelical churches in the area of reached out to them for contact only to be ignored. So I'll agree that they are not a good example of the inevitable outcome of homeschooling. They seem more the inevitable result of enforced total isolation. It certainly explains why they seem to be almost entirely incapable of engaging with society in any meaningful fashion.

It’s home education coupled with social isolation that I’m totally against- not home education per se- I know a family who are Christian evangelical and home school their kids and limit social contact to only the other nutters in that sect- that’s not at all healthy and it goes on far more than is reported.

If you’re home schooled but are also encouraged to interact with other kids who aren’t in things like sports etc then that’s certainly better- it all depends on the motivations for home schooling in the first place is my view. It’s an odd choice in these modern times

Most of the posters throwing out the fake outrage about heavy handed Gardai would be applauding them if it was certain other sections of society showing blatant contempt for court.

And more eyewear

He'll have snow tomorrow

I have friends that homeschool but the difference is, they are not religious nuts and have socialised their children well and they are empathetic and open to others opinions. The Burke siblings don’t seem to be able to think for themselves and are unable to function in a normal society. They are not open to others having opinions because they’ve never been allowed to have any of their own. You can see it very clearly when Martina is preaching and they’re all obediently just bobbing their heads in agreement.

Naturally enough this area of cultism and indoctrination is unknown territory for most of us.

Mr Garde appears to understand many of the issues involved but his attempts at intervention came to naught.

I don't know where it will all end but end it must.

Grand and I agree. Which is why we should cast a cold eye here on posters who seem to think that home schooling is a problem and iirc, implying in some cases saying that it should be banned. Quite disconnected.

I don't think there's any point in trying to argue or posit the theory that the father isn't every bit as deep into everything as the mother and the rest. He may be less vocal when it comes to how they all shout on the street, but he's definitely as big a part of everything. We even know from the reports yesterday that Enoch was shouting to the guards to let go of his father. That only happens if the guards had to restrain the father.

Nobody just goes along with their wife and kids when they're at the level they are. He's as much a believer and as strident in what they're doing as the rest of them.

He didn't give her a woeful shove, that's for sure but he did give her a gentle push. His push alone probably wasn't the reason she fell over. It was a combination of factors.

Yep, I agree with you there. But that doesn't change the fact that he did give her a wee bit of a push. I'm not saying he was wrong by the way. I'm just not blindly denying there was no push because the Burke's are unpopular when clearly it can be seen that there was a bit of a push. Did it cause her to fall, I can't say for sure but it might have played a part. Or maybe it didn't.

If they were under 18, they'd be taken into care at this point. They have no life experience as a result of the sheltered and dictatorial upbringing. Would they even celebrate a Mayo All Ireland win? Time will tell...or will it?

I’ve looked at it yet again: I do agree with you, she did get a small push from the male guard- I think that’s indisputable.

Ultimately as I said earlier, it was in her power to leave that area in a more dignified manner and she chose not to- the result of her actions is what we now see.

To me it looks like:

1. She resisting as being led out the gates - hence the “assertive” hold on her by 2 guards
2. Male guard gives her a small push whilst female guard is about to let her go - the force of this push is low and the fact the female guard still has a hold of her lessens the impact
3. Female guard let’s her go
4. she loses balance due to high heels and feet not grounded in same direction coupled with her turning around to continue to berate the guard and likely coupled with the slight force used to push her, all of these things appear to result in her gently falling on the ground - but quite possibly without the push she could have ended up in a similar position as she wasn’t concentrating on walking straight anyway