Covid-19 likely to be man made

Ah so all of those conspiracy theorists who were claiming that it was man made were actually right all along.

Little by little things get rewritten so conspiracy theorists can never be wrong.

You admit that you developed an opinion on this in 2020 that it was a lab leak, ergo any evidence of that is "compelling" to you. That's fine. However it's very obvious all the info is going through that personal filter.

I'm simply reflecting the science. You can open pretty much any article and it will reference what the majority of scientists and experts believe in this case. I also put stock in the FBI, I've never ruled lab leak out. The majority of scientists with a view on this and the FBI can also be correct, it can be zoonotic in origin and was accidentally leaked from a lab.

Eh, no. You are just indulging in wilful misrepresentation again.

If the lab leak theory as you have defined it is true do you accept that this means the pandemic was man made?

It is complete misrepresentation. You have misrepresented the fact that a virus can be natural but a pandemic man made to

“Ah so all of those conspiracy theorists who were claiming that it was man made were actually right all along.”

It’s a misrepresentative straw man of your creation.

Look, you continuously accuse others of not answering your questions, to the point of being warned about it, while steadfastly refusing to answer questions put to you. Unkinder posters than I would say it looks like hypocrisy.

I will ask you again.

If the lab leak theory as you have defined it is true do you accept that this means the pandemic was man made?

The studies I've linked has multiple new coronavirus found near Wuhan.

Completely wrong.

To use an analogy. If you captured a lion in the wild, brought it to a city of 8 million people. Allowed the lion to escape because of poor security. The lion goes on to kill people and your defence is, well I am not responsible because killing people is just what lions do, you would be laughed at.

By any definition, if the lab leak theory is true, it is a man made pandemic.

I have no recollection of anyone using the phrase in the manner you now use it.

It was clear they meant the virus itself was man made. Not that there was some human accidental involvement in its release. It usually meant the virus was man made and - commonly - deliberately released.

Find us the posts\articles from 2020-2021 where that phrase is used in the meaning you apply to it. This will show it was a common understanding of the phrase.

Because otherwise - you are engaged in revisionism and hair splitting without foundation.

But it's not a man made lion. Nor is it a man made lion rampage.

You are misrepresenting my argument. I did not and do not argue someone is "not responsible because killing people is just what lions do".

You are conflating the idea of responsibility with the term "Man made".

Let’s look at your analogy. Even if Dolly was a naturally occurring sheep and Dolly escaped from the lab due to poor security and it was known that Dolly was lethally dangerous and if escaped would kill people, would the people at the lab be held responsible for those deaths?

The hairsplitting is arguing that a deliberate release from a lab is a man made pandemic ie caused by humans, but an accidental release from a lab is not.

But I have answered your question. And this is aside from your misrepresentations of my arguments.

Conspiracy theorists were claiming that the virus (Not the pandemic) was man made.

So if a virus leaked from a lab due to human error, causing a pandemic, is the resulting pandemic man made, caused by man or naturally occurring.

Is a lab leak a natural event?

I don't think I've heard the term "man made pandemic" before today. The more common term used by conspiracy theorists was "plandemic." Or "Scamdemic" if they were feeling more clever.

Yes, and an equally important distinction is that an accidental lab leak due to human error in a laboratory is not a natural event.

So how would you characterise a pandemic brought about by human error?

The same cycles repeated for swine flu as well.

Started off with claims that it was a bioweapon to wipe out specific people. Then a bioweapon to kill us all. Then it was obviously fake and completely harmless and only intended to scare us into taking vaccines. Then there were the claims that the vaccine would kill us all/implant us with mircochips etc. Or people would be herded into camps for not getting the vaccines. Then when all of those weren't coming true after the first few months, the conspiracy became about how the vaccine was killing thousands or secretly making people sterile, but we wouldn't know for years. The it tapered off as the news cycle moved on. It would only flare back up whenever a news story came out with something negative about response to the virus that had never been mentioned by conspiracy theorists before, yet was used to claim they were right all along.

We're in the tapering off stage now, so thankfully we're over the hump.

The next question is if the same cycle will still be as lucrative the next go around. I imagine with this pandemic being as bad as it was, and the conspiracy theories being so over blown and so pervasive, that most people will be over it. I think the narrative will be shifted over to climate disasters next.

From my understanding plandemic refers to people who believe the pandemic was planned and scamdemic refers to people who believe there was no pandemic.

I believe nether. If the virus was released due to human error the resulting pandemic is caused by humans therefore is a man made pandemic.

Look, if vials of Spanish Flu, H1N1 A virus, were being transported by train, and the train crashed, for example, like the recent terrible train crash in Greece. The H1N1 virus spread, resulting in a pandemic causing millions of deaths. This would be a man made disaster, a man made pandemic. Even though the virus was not man made and the leak was not deliberate.

Neither description is accurate.

Both terms were used interchangeably for a wide range of conspiracy claims, from the idea that the virus was created completely as part of plot, to the idea that the pandemic was real, but not dangerous and was being exploited.

Plandemic became more popular because of the propaganda film of the same name.

There was a huge spectrum of claims that you are unaware of.

In the context of this thread, "Conspiracy Theories" it is an inaccurate definition because it is not accurate \ precise enough.

Context matters.

Look at the examples from the dictionary you have listed: a man made lake, man-made fibers such as nylon and polyester.

If you want to use a term to distinguish from 'natural', that does not have well known CT baggage, then Anthropogenic is suggested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropogenic_hazard