Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Dyr · 08-03-2023 5:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330759#Comment_120330759

Transubsantiation is a central tenet of the Catholic faith, it's not optional for a Catholic.

Anyway, you made the claim about Burke and the age of the earth so I'm afraid you'll have to produce the goods or be considered a bit of a spoofer.

Furze99 · 08-03-2023 5:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330806#Comment_120330806

+100 and isn't it unfortunate that this is lost on many posters here. They can't see the wood for the trees, so bound up are they in their own agendas.

Penn · 08-03-2023 5:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330828#Comment_120330828

God help the first judge to not give her a 10....

08-03-2023 5:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330858#Comment_120330858

The irony of your statement is lost on you

Hungry Burger · 08-03-2023 5:15pm

How long until we see an RTÉ reality programme where they take one of the Burke siblings and introduce them to normal life for 6 months.

”Breaking Burke”

Furze99 · 08-03-2023 5:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330471#Comment_120330471

Who says? I would have thought socialisation is about children/ people mixing with people of different ages and from different families.

What you opine only speaks to some relatively recent modern multi cultural Ireland that exists in a few cities and larger towns.

Furze99 · 08-03-2023 5:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330866#Comment_120330866

So, what agenda do you think I espouse?

realdanbreen · 08-03-2023 5:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330806#Comment_120330806

I don't believe I've ever heard them mention the importance of family. In fact I'd say if one of them attempted to bail out he/she/they would be immediately disowned! That's how cults operate.

GarfieldandPookyBear · 08-03-2023 5:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330806#Comment_120330806

I never said anywhere that they are not entitled to their beliefs or that their parents are not entitled to raise their children in their chosen religion. The point I was making was that they shouldn’t be isolated only to their parents beliefs and opinions! I know people from many religions, races, gay, trans …. do I share their beliefs? No but I’m not intolerant of them. That’s the difference.

josip · 08-03-2023 5:19pm

One thing I can't figure out is how Enoch ever managed to secure a position at Wilson's Hospital School.

Would there not have been background checks done ?

What kind of experience did he have?

Would there have been a face to face interview ?

bmc58 · 08-03-2023 5:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120327287#Comment_120327287

Why wasn't he put back in jail when Christmas was over then? Just wondering?

08-03-2023 5:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329991#Comment_120329991

There is still the review of the daily fines by Justice O'Moore to take place, that they showed up too late for last week.

AFAIK, there is an independant hearing on Burke's appeal of his dismissal due on 20th or 21st April, as well.

There is also the matter of the file on the trespass charge that went to the DPP, don't know how that will pan out, or if it will just fizzle out.

~~I'm pretty sure I saw something as well in the legal diary about Burke -v- some media group - probably the case he took against the Sunday Independant? (I think it was the Sunday Independant).~~ (Not related)

And sure no doubt the Burkes will be front and centre of a campaign against the referendum on Gender Equality. I'm sure that will provide plenty of opportunities for more "Burkery".

And then finally, we have Simeon joining in the fun now.

Penn · 08-03-2023 5:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330806#Comment_120330806

I don't think it's so much the issue of being raised with those religious beliefs, being homeschooled etc, but rather the seeming lack of social interaction and integration for the children. I can't find it now, but there was a previous article detailing how in a previous job, Enoch was going to join colleagues on a work outing until his boss pointed out to him that it would be in a pub. Enoch felt this was too hedonistic or something and was concerned about how he was nearly tempted into joining them and going to the pub, that he didn't go on the outing (and he may have even decided to leave that job because of it, I can't fully remember).

Religious beliefs and homeschooling are one thing, but there is no doubt that their upbringing has had a significant effect on how they integrate themselves into society which is above and beyond typical homeschooling and/or religious upbringings.

realdanbreen · 08-03-2023 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330855#Comment_120330855

But transubstanatio is not about turning bread into flesh, you didn't think it was did you. As for the evangelical belief in when the world was made, like I say Google. You do however sound like a guy who's used to having the dinner made and left on the table for him.

ohnonotgmail · 08-03-2023 5:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330920#Comment_120330920

Front and center? shouting from the margins more like.

Cluedo Monopoly · 08-03-2023 5:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330920#Comment_120330920

I bet the public gallery will be packed

realdanbreen · 08-03-2023 5:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330898#Comment_120330898

Well Trump was elected president of the most powerful nation on earth!

Quin_Dub · 08-03-2023 5:34pm

There's a telling quote from Enoch , from his book I think where he says "The duty of the Christian is to actively oppose the work of the devil when and where he meets it".

We are seeing that "active opposition" right now.

But even at that he's not really opposing anything , he's just refusing to acknowledge that those things even exist.

He seems incapable of separating his beliefs from anything else.

Recognising that he was suspended from school and remaining away whilst proceedings continued did not require him to "deny his faith" nor did it impinge on his rights to religious expression , it just required him to accept that someone else had taken an action that he was obligated to comply with.

The same applies to every single step of the journey he has taken since then.

He and the rest of his family are entitled to their beliefs and opinions , what they are not entitled to do is pretend that everyone elses beliefs and opinions don't exist.

Captain Flaps · 08-03-2023 5:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330947#Comment_120330947

The vatican disagrees with you.

Transubstantiation means the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of his Blood. This change is brought about in the eucharistic prayer through the efficacy of the word of Christ and by the action of the Holy Spirit. However, the outward characteristics of bread and wine, that is the “eucharistic species”, remain unaltered.

#283 https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

easygoing39 · 08-03-2023 5:38pm

You know when a group is truely crazy,and thats when Gemma does'nt even back them up!!!

Captain Flaps · 08-03-2023 5:38pm

Not a catholic BTW, I just like pointing this silly belief out when people claim that it's supposed to be symbolic. No, you're supposed to believe that the bread literally becomes the body of Christ, now in ~~pog~~ bread form.

Hungry Burger · 08-03-2023 5:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330898#Comment_120330898

Probably not that hard considering how well educated he is and the chronic shortage of teachers, not to mention it was a Protestant school with a Christian ethos so goes to reason he’d be a good fit.

You can’t deny someone a job based on what their family do, it would be hard for anyone to foresee this absolute shitshow.

realdanbreen · 08-03-2023 5:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330990#Comment_120330990

You do realise it is symbolism don't you. I don't believe anyone expects to see bread transform into human flesh! You're heading into miracle territory there, like Burke territory!

Quin_Dub · 08-03-2023 5:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331036#Comment_120331036

By all accounts he was a decent enough teacher , albeit with odd views on certain things (obviously).

Equally, Ammi was supposedly a competent lawyer - She was hired by Arthur Cox, who would be one of the leading law firms in the country.

She still got herself fired though for launching a rant at her boss over some perceived iniquity that she had been subjected to.

realdanbreen · 08-03-2023 5:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331000#Comment_120331000

Where did you get that notion from?

08-03-2023 5:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330904#Comment_120330904

Because if he'd been put back in Jail the disciplinary hearings against him by WHS couldn't have happened.

Odhinn · 08-03-2023 5:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331072#Comment_120331072

It's catholic teaching.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/05/transubstantiation-eucharist-u-s-catholics/

realdanbreen · 08-03-2023 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331089#Comment_120331089

It's symbolic, ffs how simpler can it be explained!

josip · 08-03-2023 5:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331036#Comment_120331036

Chronic shortage of teachers might be the reason. But not hard to foresee (from 2010):

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/small-voices-that-go-unheard-1.620163

For anybody involved in the hiring of people, this should have set off air raid klaxons.

...Another has been ongoing since 2004, including a couple of hunger strikes. A third – which today involves about six young folk and a couple of older people, airing big placards and implacable certainty – has been running since March. A glimpse at the placards – bearing such messages as “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind. It is abomination. Leviticus 18:22” – sends a pony-tailed passer-by into a frenzy. He rushes back and forth in front of the group, yelling repeatedly: “Off the streets, Nazi scum!” The protesters stare ahead. Gardaí leave the man to make his own distressed protest until he veers into the traffic. Then they lead him away.

The placard holders are members of one big family. When challenged by a pinstriped cyclist, 21-year-old Enoch Burke takes him on. “Well, where does Aids begin?” asks Enoch, following up with HIV figures from St James’s Hospital, to “prove” that homosexuals started it. “God help you,” says the cyclist mournfully. Enoch, who declined a place in medicine at University College Galway, is one of 10 children – all with biblical names – of Sean and Martina Burke from Castlebar, Co Mayo.

His brother Isaac is in third-year science in Galway. Esther is working for her HDip. Ammi hopes to study languages. The family belong to no particular sect. “We’re just a Christian church,” says Martina.

How do she and Sean find the time to support their large family and stand all day outside Leinster House? Sean, she says, was a qualified electrician, “and does a lot of different things now”. Martina, a qualified secondary teacher, “still does private tuition” for exam students. “Of course there are a thousand other things we could be doing. I could cry coming up,” she says, “but there’s a lot of unrest in the country, and the politicians are not representing the people.”

The Bible sustains them on the three- to four-hour drive from Castlebar two or three days a week, before they stand tall with their placards for up to nine hours a day....

He would also have had to be Garda vetted for his position as a teacher? The piece above would definitely flag him as a threat to vulnerable people in my opinion.

Anyone who works or volunteers with children and vulnerable adults must go through Garda vetting. This is a process to check whether you have a criminal record, or if there is any specified reason why you might pose a threat to vulnerable people.

Dial Hard · 08-03-2023 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331072#Comment_120331072

That is the literal definition of transubstantiation.

Most Protestant faiths, on the other hand, go for consubstantiation, where the bread and wine are, indeed, symbolic.

Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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