FEC committee & final report - UPDATE post 442

otmmyboy2 · 07-03-2023 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120325036#Comment_120325036

And one of the shooting reps being a Quisling in the past, so more like 4 v 1.

And that is before they invite extra supers/chiefs/inspectors in to give their "expert" opinions on licencing.

Vizzy · 07-03-2023 2:56pm

Judging by the "detailed" minutes of the meeting, they would have just enough time to drink a cup of coffee and eat 2 Bourbon creams.

otmmyboy2 · 07-03-2023 3:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120325198#Comment_120325198

Unfortunately they are only reports, so just the headline of what topic was discussed.

I somehow doubt actual minutes or transcripts are being taken, but if they are I would be exceedingly interested in their contents vs the published final report.

garrettod · 07-03-2023 5:30pm

Training requirements....

If only there was someone on the committee, who might like to provide all training requirements, were they to be made compulsory...

garrettod · 07-03-2023 9:44pm

Has anyone seen or heard anything from FURG?

In keeping with tradition, I assumed that they've had a bit of a tiff over something stupid, and all fallen out, with little or no consideration for the people that they are supposed to represent

Grizzly 45 · 07-03-2023 10:44pm

Two things, they are in the traditional Irish point of any organisation discussing "The split".

Or are holding fire until they actually see the FEC reports...

Grizzly 45 · 07-03-2023 10:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120326010#Comment_120326010

And happens to be a dedicated FF supporter living in a ministers constituency who has included them on this committee,despite the minister not wanting anyone from any "Irish gun lobby groups".You would swear the minister was quaring the pitch...NOT that such a thing would ever happen in Irish politics...

Feisar · 07-03-2023 11:26pm

Our sport is f**ked. We have no real way of fighting it's demise. We're outliers and oddballs as far as joe public is concerned. We are not a cohesive voting block, farmers head to Dublin in their tractor's when they are not happy. Civil servants/nurses strike. The Gardaí had their Blue Flu. What legitimate option is open to us to say "enough is enough"?

Grizzly 45 · 07-03-2023 11:30pm

Persecution of an all-inclusive non discriminatory, non-ageist,or sexist community that is regularly inspected and harassed by the organs of the Irish state?

garrettod · 08-03-2023 12:50am

Interesting timing...

BSA International · 08-03-2023 1:51am

Here we go AGAIN 🤣

Non Playable Character · 08-03-2023 9:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120328127#Comment_120328127

I wouldn't get too excited. The document they posted is from the 22nd of July 2022. The one and only public release made by FURG to date. There is nothing on any of the group members Facebook pages. I think maybe the lads are trying to spur them into action or else they just learned of it's existence.

Non Playable Character · 08-03-2023 12:33pm

Hang on guys. The FURG is meeting after all. No notice or announcements on anyone's FB pages, just a comment on a post made by the Irish Hunting Podcast.

Grizzly 45 · 08-03-2023 2:02pm

So busisness as usual in Irish shooting politics? Shady meetings in backrooms in your name.

jb88 · 08-03-2023 2:23pm

Because you dont know about it or it hasnt been shared on boards its a secret society.

There is a reason, in fact there are many as to why many of you guys are not involved nor should you be.

Grizzly 45 · 08-03-2023 2:59pm

Wayyyyy ahead of you pal. Do try and keep up.

garrettod · 08-03-2023 3:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120328218#Comment_120328218

No, tbf, Cass has actually done me a favour there, and tidied up something on that post for me - it's much better now, as it happens...

@Cass Thanks!

Cass · 08-03-2023 3:33pm

jb88 - Because you dont know about it or it hasnt been shared on boards its a secret society.

Yes. Because people doing their own thing without consultation with, or at the very least informing, the larger shooting community has lead us to where we are today. There is no need for specifics but a general "We're working on it" would suffice, to some extent.

jb88 - There is a reason, in fact there are many as to why many of you guys are not involved nor should you be.

What would those reasons be?

Lets cast our minds back to September 2021. The "Revoking of SACF rifles" thread. You wrote:

jb88 - My last post on the subject of proposed banning of CF Semi Autos. Very simple and I hope everyone can understand

Its not on the cards, not happening, those on the justice committee no longer looking at this.

And if you want to thank anyone, thank 3 people including myself, but really thank the other two, I just turned up and shot.

This issue is dead right now with the govt, not going ahead despite some peoples agendas.

You may ask for proof, well just trust a fellow shooter for a change.

The whole post is worthy of derision, but is a prime example of some people, yourself included as you righteously claim to be involved, claiming to have done something in secret with the rest of the shooting community being unworthy of being informed, notified, or even involved.

Turns out it was utter rubbish. You, nor your unnamed associates, done nothing. You deemed the greater shooting community unworthy of knowing what was being done (which turns out to be nothing at all) but were quick to come on here and seek the praise of a still mystified community for works claimed to have been carried out, known only by you.

Not content with this trolling you disappeared for 6 weeks only to return in November of 2021 with this and when I asked you to explain the secret/backroom deal you had made your reply was:

jb88 - I think its because myself and a couple of other enlightened individuals are doing something to make a difference and stop this issue of a ban from happening.

Stop a ban, which you said was NOT HAPPENING, from taking place. Something you claimed only weeks before was already dead in water given the unverified work you claimed to have done in the background!

You disappeared after this comment for another two weeks only to return when others had asked for you to provide the proof you claimed you had that the ban was "dead", but NOT to answer questions asked of you, instead to demand of others what you failed to provide, PROOF. You once again dismissed the ban as a non issue claiming the Government wouldn't go through the hassle or expense of setting up an independent body to review firearm laws:

jb88 - You know the reasons why it wont go ahead, because then the govt have to include setting up an independent body to oversee firearms legislation, and yet another independent appeals body to make sure thats all working. Lots more money to be wasted by the state, when the Gardai have control of this already.

So that body was set up last year and continues to meet as recently as last Friday.

Backroom deals, meetings and the likes have never been a good idea. To quote Louis Brandeis : "the light of day is the best disinfectant". Agenda driven, and vested interest, groups/persons can promise anything without repercussions or consequences if no one else is aware of their actions. This has been proven time and again with the secret actions of the so called coalition in 2014-5, the pistol licensing grab of 2011 by the NASRPC, the mandatory HCAP in 2018, and possibly many more we simply have never been made aware off.

The end results have always been the same. Harsher licensing system for us, no consequences for those that initiated it, and we move on and forgot the past doomed once again to repeat our mistakes because "no one likes living in the past".

So take this final word.

Everything happening to us today is a direct result of the actions of a few individuals FROM THE SHOOTING COMMUNITY, who are either so naïve as to think they can succeed where others have failed, so arrogant as to believe they know what is best for "us", or so ruthless as to sacrifice other sports for the slim hope of preserving their own. There is always the power factor, where they want full control, but that never works and again only results in harsher restrictions on the shooting community.

So do me a favour, and spare me the self righteous, self aggrandizing, crap about how much you are doing and what the rest of us need to know.

BSA International · 08-03-2023 8:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330192#Comment_120330192

I had quoted your link. I was referring to the new umbrella group.

BSA International · 08-03-2023 8:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329866#Comment_120329866

I'm a member of/affialited to a few of the groups in it. Therefore they claim they represent me. Yet, none have asked me what I want. Yep, looks like a secret society to me.

The same few, using their self appointed positions, to further their own agenda/s, as they have done many times before.

Only a matter of time before they start infighting to try and secure their latest money making scam.

BSA International · 08-03-2023 8:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330344#Comment_120330344

Cass, well said 👏

solarwinds · 08-03-2023 9:06pm

Just a quick thought, the expert witnesses called so far have all been on the side of the State either Supers or Chiefs. Is it possible for our two representatives to suggest calling in some experts for our side. Such as a range operator, a firearms dealer and someone from the hunting community.

I am under no illusion that the outcomes of this have all been predetermined and I suspect this whole exercise is just to see what more they can grab. But surely to strengthen the argument of more restrictions a more balanced view from both sides should be heard and at least there would be an official record of the case from our side.

Again just a thought to see if we could get some experts in there apart from the one we have.

BSA International · 08-03-2023 10:35pm

As far as I'm concerned "our" reps on this weren't chosen by "us". Therefore, they don't represent "us".

The other group aren't representing me either.

tonysopprano · 08-03-2023 11:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331927#Comment_120331927

The powers that be have beaten you to the punch. OUR? two reps are 1) an operator of a defunct range and shop and 2) a firearms dealer and armorer, so they have cut off your avenue of approach at the knees, before you can even walk and I doubt it took even 30 pieces of silver

.243 · 09-03-2023 11:06am

We all know getting in contact with local councillors/ td’s etc has done sweet f all in getting our voices heard in the past,but we now know who’s supposed to be representing us,why don’t we just start picking up the phone and hound them for answers,they “chose” to be at that table to “represent” us,

garrettod · 09-03-2023 3:42pm

I'm off the view thst we still put massive pressure on our local politicans - they need our votes, so let them act in our behalf.

There are lots of difficulty questions to ask, so why not ask them and make them hold the Jnr Minister to account.

Seperately, while I'm not entirely happy with the lack of visible action from our various representative groups, I think we have to put some level of trust in them, albeit not without some level of contact. They've been extremely slow to act, to date, which has prompted me to start pressing my own guys.

Asus1 · 10-03-2023 1:16pm

Quick question,what is wrong with our firearms legislation at the moment that we needed a committee set up to review it.Have we had a massive outcry from the general public for firearms legislation reform.Im not sure if it decided tomorrow all firearms were banned what effect they think the outcome would be.

Sure everyone who shoots would be rightly peed off.Yes the general public would be thinking this was a great thing for Ireland.But other than no vermin being shot,no deer being culled no clays being blown to dust they won't have made the country a better place

People who sadly took or take their lives by firearms will still take their lives by another mean.People who shot or were thinking of shooting family or friends (which is not common thankfully) will still do whatever but just by a different means.

So back to my first question what is their end goal or stated reasoning for said committee.

bruman · 10-03-2023 1:58pm

IMO What you have here is a nobody Junior Minister who is looking for media profiling for his own career progression and leveraged off a comment that a previous Minister for Justice made in 2015 (bear in mind there were many Ministers for Justice after this).

Following the uproar from the shooting community he was backed into a corner & had to set up this group.

Everybody knows licensed firearms aren’t the issue. In terms of the centrefire semi auto’s, they are using various incidents across the globe as an excuse to try to ban them here. As we all know, Ireland has strict licensing laws and a depressed teenager can’t walk into a gun shop here and then walk out with an AR15.

It’s all about a junior minister trying to get noticed and further his career. If there are enough legal challenges to the legislation when passed & following this, court successes (costing the state a lot of money), it won’t do very much for his career in politics.

Just my 2 cents worth

Asus1 · 10-03-2023 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120340372#Comment_120340372

Maybe you're right it just seems there are way more important things to worry about,but I suppose that's always the case.

With regards firearms I'd say there's quite a few licenced who don't see the light of day from one end of the year to the other

BSA International · 10-03-2023 2:43pm

Handy to deflect publics' attention from other matters ......

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