NI Dec 22 Assembly Election

Again, I was correcting what you claimed. I said nothing about what 'was in an agreement'. It wasn't an 'agreement' for starters, it was a British government Bill and Act.

You claimed something and you were wrong.

Your community was sufficiently aufait with what was going on to engage in pogroms and violence which displaced many and resulted in 100's of deaths.

Oh dear francie. You really need to have a broader reflection.

What sort of compromises have/ are nationalists/ republicans offering Francie?

All I mostly hear down south, when people actually bother to think about it, is that unionists may 'like it or lump it' and if they don't lump it, then they can feck off back across the Irish Sea from whence they came. That's about the level of it.

And you can't blame us really, as poisoned by decades of 'Christian Brother' history.

You aren't listening carefully enough.

As regards 'agreements' we were discussing. Equality and parity of esteem legislation and legislation on the Irish language was agreed at St. Andrews among all those party's present. They all signed that agreement including the DUP.

The DUP blocked that legislation as best they could until the British government were forced to honour their committments to the St. Andrew's Agreement.

I wonder what would be left of the British heritage where I live if I walked in downcow's shoes TBH.

If I got flamed by something as natural as the native language of my place then there would be a plethora of relics of the British presence to be removed.

The British are part of my heritage as are those who identify as British as are those of any identity that have made this place their home.

From the Agreement document itself:

Microsoft Word - SAA TEXT July09L _2_.DOC (publishing.service.gov.uk)

Probably referring to the fact that the DUP attempted to welch on the Agreement they all signed by claiming they didn't agree to the Irish language bit.

Familiar stunt politics from the DUP.

Just a wee quick question to the chatGBT AI and this is the response.

can you give me the actual text in the St. Andrews agreement referring to an Irish language act?

here’s its answer:

The relevant paragraph reads:

“The Government firmly believes that devolution will provide a stable environment for further progress on equality issues. It will work with all parties to ensure that this happens. In particular, it will work with the incoming Executive to protect and enhance the development of both British and Irish cultural identities including support for their languages.

As you can see, the agreement did not specify any details or mechanisms for implementing an ILA. It only expressed a general intention to work with the incoming Executive on this issue.”

This is just a re-iteration of the DUP's excuses made after signing the SAA.

They did their usual thing and tried to winkle out of what they signed.

Big strategy fail again as it came back to bite them in the ass when the British government lived up to their agreement.

It's there in Annex 2. (quoted earlier)

Honestly, if you are depending on a chat bot for your facts, I think we are done here.

I assume the UK government is an acceptable source? https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-st-andrews-agreement-october-2006

And from the text of the linked agreement:

The UK certainly did exist in 1922; as downcow points out, it had existed since 1801 as "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland". What happened in 1922 is that it split apart into two states, one of which ("the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland") was (and still is) accepted internationally as the successor state to the UK of GB & I.

There was a widespread expectation in 1922 that partition would not be permanent. The border was certainly not to be permanent; the Treaty included a provision to establish a boundary commission to redraw the border "in accordance with the wishes of the inhabitants" . As three, and possibly four, out of the six counties of NI had a nationalist majority, it was widely expected that the redrawn border would result in a "rump" NI which would be simply too small to be economically or politically viable. This wasn't an expectation cherished just by nationalists; the government of NI refused to co-operate with the boundary commission in an attempt to frustrate the redrawing of the border, because they feared precisely this outcome.

In the event, this isn't what happened, of course, but we are concerned here with what people expected in 1922. They did expect, at a minimum, that a significant part of NI would be transferred to the Free State, and that this might well lead in the long term to the end of partition.

Just saying it over and over again and having more numbers of posters doesn’t make you correct. Also your purpose in saying ‘more disingenuous posting’ should be clear to all!

This issue began from you saying that the dup had reneged on the SAA.

Annex 1 of The St Andrews Agreement was a letter from Tony Blair to Bertie Ahern on 13 October 2006. Annex 2 was a letter from Bertie Ahern to Tony Blair on 13 October 2006. Both letters were about their respective governments’ commitments on various issues related to Northern Ireland. The agreement did not give specific reference to these annexes.

I know you don’t like the chatbot offering his opinion on this matter, but here is my exchange with him - maybe he’s been bribed by Jamie Anyhow he is stating exactly what I understood, ie the dup did not renege on a commitment re ila

“Annex 1 was a letter from Tony Blair to Bertie Ahern, and Annex 2 was a letter from Bertie Ahern to Tony Blair. Both of these letters outlined the commitments that each government had made regarding various issues related to Northern Ireland. Despite their importance, the St Andrews Agreement did not specifically reference these annexes..

Q Were these commitments made by the political parties or just the governments?

(Bot) The commitments outlined in Annex 1 and Annex 2 of the St Andrews Agreement were made by the respective governments of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, rather than the political parties. The St Andrews Agreement was signed by the political parties in Northern Ireland and the governments of the UK and the Republic of Ireland, but the commitments outlined in the annexes were made solely by the governments.

Q Is it an indisputable fact the these two annex’s were not referenced on the agreement which the parties signed?

(Bot) Yes, it is an indisputable fact that the St Andrews Agreement, signed on 13 October 2006, did not specifically reference Annex 1 and Annex 2. While the agreement itself was signed by the political parties in Northern Ireland, as well as the governments of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, it did not make any specific reference to the two Annex’s.

I think we need to agree to differ on that one. We have done it to death. Your post says zero to me about my community thinking we were only going to stay a few more years in Uk

No, we won't 'agree' anything. You are wrong, the Unionist community was so fearful they altered the voting system and constituencies to maintain their Union - the

Fact.