Toyota bz4X

Look I think you're after swallowing the info fed to you by Toyota and no one will change your mind.

The Ioniq 5 is around €49K now and the Tesla is around €48K. Both have better range and are more efficient.

A car doe's not need a 100kW battery but your basing your assumptions off the BZ which seems to be a very poor EV.

Maybe you should have kept your Yaris.

The small battery Ioniq 5 is like €43K isn't it.

I thought €42K or a little less? But haven't checked prices for a while..

And you can DC charge it as often as you like. The bxzzx whatever it is is a pig in a poke. Toyota really need to up their game or they're doomed.

So does this Tesla give 455km as advertised. Toyota said bz4x has 500km, but actually gives 430km. What about when air conditioning or heater is on. Does Tesla give 455?

And I just got the figures for model Y.

winter test, AWD for BZ

Summer test Rwd for the Y

How much did the Y drop in price a month ago?

BTW my brother said another drop is coming, is that correct? Excellent value then. If you can get past the steering wheel, shelf and tablet design.

I know, but the previous poster said exact same test, its not, I don't know enough about MY, performance AWD?

Did you get a delivery date yet…..apparently some arrived in Dublin port yesterday !!

So they are admitting that the product is sub par, and will hope to make it better with a software update…

they're increasing the daily limit of 2 DC charging sessions to 3.8 DC charging sessions per day.

So it’s still a lemon.

Fair play to Toyota for directly communicating with Bjørn about this. Not many companies do. I'm actually quite impressed about it. Looks like the bad press will genuinely make the BZ4X a better car for the owners.

I am actually quite fond of the brand (well I was) having had 3 Avensis (including 2 brand new ones). And only a few months ago I put my mother in a Toyota Aqua 100% petrol powered self charging hybrid, which replaced her Yaris which needed a full engine rebuild or a new engine….

My father always drove Toyota’s too while he was alive, so all in all we’ve had about 12 of them in the family… and apart from the 3 pot Yaris being a pile of scut, never really had any major issues with them (my favourite was probably the gold Sprinter my dad had back around 1990…. I loved that car and it was fast as fcuk….. (I still remember the reg: 88D17451), my dad claimed he did Cork to Dublin in about 2 hours during the Ireland v Romania game at Italia 90…)

that’s why it’s such a shame to see them fcuk up their first EV so badly…… it just ranks of a half hearted effort that they’ve been forced into doing to react to the market rather than something they actually wanted to to….

What year was the Aqua, miles, price? my niece needs a car, renting , so self charging it is, much appreciated.

Some thoughts......

There isn't a limit to the amount of DC charges you can do AFAIK...

There IS a limit to how many full speed DC charges you can do.....

Which isn't the same.....

The car will have kept charging throughout the 1000 kms challenge it's just that charging was very slow. Slow as in it was doing 44 kW when it should be capable of 100 to 150 kW at full speed.

It's good to see Toyota acknowledge the issue and promise a fix.....

3.8 full speed charges will mean most people will never experience the issue at all assuming there are no further issues as a result....

We need to consider even with BZ4xs poor efficiency - just how far 3.8 charges might take you....

Let's be conservative.

1st charge 120 miles done.

2nd charge 210 miles done.

3rd charge 300 miles done....

4th charge 390 miles done.

Based on 0.8 of a charge then at 4th charge we might add 72 miles at full speed for a potential distance of 462 miles.....

We can still add charge for 500 and 600 miles etc but the charging speed is slower.

I still don't like the pile of crap but I'm old enough to remember how the rapidgate fuss on Leaf 40 roared into life......

Lads were calling for buybacks, recalls and predicting doomsday scenarios.....

5 years later and Leaf 40s are still driving around and even still been sold new.

The big Leaf issue on the agenda these days is chademo - that's the big reason not to buy one....

I predict in 5 years time the BZ4x issues here will be a non event

It was a 132, 137,000km on it and I think the final price was €8,750 (they gave me €1,800 trade in off the Yaris).

The Aqua is a lovely little car in fairness, and my mam loves it…. I almost got her a Zoe but it sold by the time I was ready to move on it (a bullet dodged probably as I don’t think she’d have been ready yet for a car with a plug (and with probably only 70-90km of range too)).

As I’ve said all along, Toyota make great cars, and I’ve no doubt the bz4x is a great car…. And anyone getting one who’s never gonna be bothered by it’s limited range and charging abilities will probably love it, But under the hood it just seems like the (full) EV tech is awful…

Toyota said the software update will unlock about 10-15% of extra range, which will be great for the owners, but what’s that going to do to their claim of the battery retaining 70% of its capacity after 10 years…. It’s easy to offer out that sort of guarantee when they had so much buffer built in, but almost immediately promising to release more of that buffer to increase the poorly reported range almost as soon as the most famous EV YouTuber in the world gets his hands on the car and starts releasing videos seems a tad amateur hour to me…… did they not test the car themselves? And privately discover the range was terrible compared to other EV’s? No, they released it as is and let its problems be discovered publicly….. and are now retrospectively trying to fix it…. Again, amateur hour stuff from the biggest car maker in the world!!

Remember though who it is telling him all this…. It’s his Toyota dealer…. And Toyota are world leaders in electrification, so in fairness they should know…

I wonder will the software update be able to improve on the dismal efficiency?

300Wh/km at 120km/h, reducing to about 205Wh/km at 90km/h..