Why does the Catholic Church still gave control over some schools in Ireland? It's time this changed

hilarious. dublin is riddled with absolute monstrosities that take up crazy amounts of space in prime locations. artane, donneycarney, raheny, finglas, but to name a few. although i think they've demolished the one in finglas. enormous buildings that no one goes to any more. it's hilarious how the anti-woke brigade posters are always defending the catholic church.

Internet Heroes need an enemy. If there isn't one, invent one e.g. the far right, the Church (only the Catholic one obviously, cos its a nice safe one to bash)

There's nothing wrong with being a Catholic if you are one by the way. Hopefully you don't let threads like these get to you.

People do evil things and should be held to account. If you believe in Jesus, follow him.

So will we tear down Christ Church and St Patricks as well, I mean they take up a lot of space so I prsume you want them gone also.

It's good that your kids are getting through school with no issues. But it's not really much of an argument.

If Catholic church/religion was removed from your school, nothing would change - your kids would continue to get through with no issues.

And just because there are no issues caused by the church/religion in your school, doesn't mean there aren't issues in other schools. Cluedo Monopoly has pointed out one a few posts later. And I've seen other examples - where parents of children who were active members of another religion tried to get their child removed but the staff wasn't there to supervise them in a different space, so they had to sit at the back.

Unless there's something that the church control of/relgious influence in schools actually adds to the school, then, in the best case scenario, it's still no better than a school without that influence. It can only be the same or worse.

Ah no we can't be selective, we need more space for houses according to the other poster he wants them all gone and you say prime locations are being taken up with Churches and are also in favour of tearing them down so lets do the job right.

What are they doing to you now?

Let's ignore the fact it was the church that generated the kind of society that unmarried mothers couldn't keep their kids.

Completely missing the point

Many people want nothing at all to do with the church and as adults they're perfectly free to do that. But then they become parents and find they've no choice but to enrol their child in a school controlled by the church, where their child will be systematically discriminated against for not being a catholic.

Maybe in your bubble. I don't know anyone who would want the Catholic church anywhere near our schools and hospitals.

What age are you?

None of your business.

Thought so.

I’ve obviously missed the point when you appeared to be saying something entirely different from what you’ve always said, which there is no truth to.

It’s impossible to quantify in any meaningful way how many people want nothing to do with the church but I don’t mind taking your claim of many at face value because I know what you mean. It’s the finding they have no choice bit has always been untrue, whatever about their development of a better relationship with the church by having nothing to do with it, and then wanting to use the church when it suits them and expecting that it’s the church should get with the program, not them who want nothing to do with the church and only call on the church when they need a favour, and only then when they’re desperate and there’s nobody else to call on because everyone else is sick of their shìt and have no interest in offering them any kind of support. The church doesn’t do booty calls.

You want to blame the church for the failures of the State to provide services for those people who do not wish to avail of the services provided by the church. I have no doubt that you understand why people who don’t have the same relationship with the church as you do would object to your blaming the church for the failures of the State, and that’s if they cared at all for the fact that it is the State which upholds the discrimination against you, not the church.

The church would welcome your children with open arms and wouldn’t treat them any differently than every other child, which is obviously a fundamental problem for you because you want the school to treat you child differently and object to your child being treated as though they are no different than every other child on the basis that every child receives the same education in a formal education setting in a school where it’s ethos and the services it provides, is underpinned by religion, same in the hospitals you mentioned.

It’s the State which ultimately bears full responsibility for the circumstances in which parents such as yourself find themselves, not the church. That’s why if you’re going after the church you’re simply achieving nothing, only letting the State off the hook.

Problem is that you lack the support to tackle the State because everyone else while they may not have a good relationship with the church, they’ll put up with it because their more immediate concerns are their own children, not yours, not their neighbours, not anyone else’s children, just their own, and as long as they’re not prepared to tackle the State and settle for the church to provide an education for their children, it’s they who are maintaining the status quo, not the people who don’t have the issues you do with the church who have the same rights as parents as you do and to whom the State owes and fulfills it’s obligations to them.

The State doesn’t fulfil its obligations to you, because it’s not convenient for it to do so. I’d be having a word with them about that if I were in your position, through the Courts if necessary. Fortunately I haven’t had to go through the Courts yet in addressing having experienced unlawful discrimination, the mere mention of it has a way of making people come to their senses rather quickly.