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Kerry Airport - News & Updates

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,484 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Eindhoven might work as a gateway to Amsterdam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Weeze was attempted in 2010 (or was it 2011) but it didn't last longer than a season.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Had no idea Weeze was ever a thing

    Three flights a week was very optimistic at best for a town both an hour's drive from Dusseldorf and with very poor public transport links.

    Any other Kerry routes that have been and gone over the years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Weeze isn't so badly located (probably better than Hahn). Fairly close to very densely populated parts of Belgium / the Netherlands / Germany.

    In terms of other routes:

    Aer Arann Kerry - Lorient in 2005ish.

    Ryanair Kerry - Liverpool around 2006 (a switch from Cork protesting about airport charges). It might have been tried a second time some years later but I'm not 100% sure.

    Ryanair Kerry - Grenoble tried for one winter season in 2008-2009.

    Summer (Sunday?) Aer Lingus Kerry - Frankfurt / Kerry - Düsseldorf (sometimes via Dublin or a triangle) in the mid-1990s after the new runway opened. That market was later captured by Ryanair's Hahn flight.

    Crossair summer charters to Zurich also in the 1990s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Ryanair just put out their summer 2023 Kerry press release, which seems to include a little error:

    "Ryanair, Europe’s no.1 airline, today (23 Jan) announced its new Kerry schedule for summer 2023, with 7 routes incl. popular summer hotspots like Alicante and Palma, as well as city break destinations like London, Manchester and Frankfurt.

    With 7% more capacity than S22, Ryanair will carry over 350,000 passengers to/from Kerry Airport this summer, boosting tourism and connectivity for the region while supporting over 430 local jobs.  

    Ryanair’s Kerry summer 2023 schedule will deliver:

    7 routes

    76 weekly flights

    7% capacity growth on S22

    Increased frequencies on popular routes – Alicante & Manchester

    350,000 passengers to/from Kerry

    Supporting over 430 local jobs"

    I count 7 routes without Palma, so I'm guessing it was mixed up with Faro. The 7% capacity growth is good news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Would be nice if Emerald considered some provincial UK city routes from Kerry. While Ryanair are doing a great job and apparently pax numbers to Dublin have doubled from 2019 since they took over from Stobart in the interim, I'm wary of having a single airline monopolising the commercial schedule of an airport.

    I think Lanzarote, Birmingham and some French or Italian leisure destination would be great additions for the airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Problem with Emerald airlines is the ATR's, fares would be too high to any UK city, leaving plenty of room for Ryanair to obliterate them.


    If stobart didn't do those routes when they flew to Kerry, there's absolutely no chance now.


    Airport is also limited by runway size I think I've heard before, a flight to Lanzarote may not be viable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,484 ✭✭✭✭cson


    ORK & SNN are each only 1.5hrs from KIR too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    A bus and two trains to get to Amsterdam from Eindhoven. Not ideal



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    True about the bus, but the trains from Eindhoven Central run every 10-15 minutes. Four trains an hour are direct, and one or two require a 4-5 min change in Utrecht (1 hour 20 min journey time for the train part).

    I think the bigger issue is that Eindhoven has its own slot issues and is not even a Ryanair base anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    What used bug me about eindhoven was the two cans of fizz taped together in the shop. Ridiclious.

    Its been a long time now since i was there. We used fly out when working for a crowd in Dublin. its all Amsterdam now.

    I remember also being moved from one area to another like cows when boarding and one day the heat was so bad that people felt unwell when standing in a que for 20 minutes outside the aircraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Macroom By-Pass is going to have an impact on Kerry Airport as Cork will become much more accessible, but this might work in reverse also to the airports benefit but hardly with fuel prices. One thing to remember about Kerry is that the airport is not able to host so many passengers and any expansion or new routes added would need to be well spaced out during the day as the "gate area" after security can only barely seat a full 737 worth of passengers <200 people and I was delayed there recently on a KIR-DUB flight and there was a good 20+ people standing and I actually gave up my seat to an elderly lady flying to Luton. 2-3 late arrivals and it would be carnage there, your average Lidl/Aldi is double the airport terminal building in size by comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    True about the terminal size, but it can easily handle quite a few more flights if they were a little bit spaced out during the day.

    It never actually happened because of COVID but summer 2020 was meant to have 4 Boeing 738s handled in less two hours (twice a week if I remember correctly).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭lordleitrim




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,193 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    No. Unless they absolutely require the votes of Kerry TDs. And both would require someone with slots to want to do it. LHR had slots available for UK domestic routes which is why there are some oddities like Loganair to Teesside and Isle of Man but anyone wanting to do KIR would have to have or buy slot pair(s). AMS don't have any slots available and officially no method to buy them; so it would have to be made more commercially viable than another flight.

    If there was a specific effort to decentralise tourist traffic in to the country, looking to get a UK or Euro flight in to Carrickfinn would be higher priority than assisting an airport that already has flights to London and the Continent to get what are seen as better ones.

    In the past, when there were more smaller airlines with suitable aircraft, there were all sorts of nuts inbound tourist routes - Zurich to Enniskillen, Rotterdam to Carrickfinn etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati


    Anybody notice that the Kerry- Dublin service has more than doubled in price?

    Looks to be €47.99 each way - on average its been €19.99 each way up until the last time I looked.

    I think any chance of filling a 737 on this route at that price has completely evaporated, certainly I'll be back to driving up and down



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    That's strange, wonder what the motivation behind that was. The price of a return trip going from €40 to €96 isn't very enticing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭technocrat


    As a regular user have just found out this now.

    Wonder is it a precursor to them pulling the service?

    Though I had family members using the route last month and the Kerry bound flight on Sunday afternoon was full to capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Mr rebel


    The Kerry-Berlin route should be reinstated. It’s disgraceful that outside of Dublin, no other airport in the country serves the German capital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    I'm curious to know how you expect this to happen? If there's a profit to be made airlines would operate the route. Do you want taxpayer subsidies?

    Berlin is a very expensive airport now too. Much more so than when the Kerry to the Shonefeld terminal operated



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Kerry - Dublin has zero chance at profitability with €20 fares. More than €4 of that goes for VAT (charged on domestic flights), and I’d guess the airport charges are more than the remaining €16. Not much ancillary revenue either (bags, food, priority boarding).

    I’m not convinced a one third full Boeing 737 on €40/50 fares has a much greater chance to be profitable.

    As for Berlin, Ryanair manages to make Cologne - Knock work in summer. Cologne isn’t a cheap airport either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Ryanair might be operating it as a loss leader to keep Stobart in their box too. All sorts go on there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Absolutely. But how long can they continue to do so?





  • I could imagine a Kerry to London City route could be useful, a link between two low hassle airports, near heart of London direct to heart of south-west Ireland, apart from a cohort of commuters, a great tourism connection. A very attractive prospect for potential passengers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    That would be nice, but they tried LCY - Cork several years ago and it just didn't work. Not enough interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    With two routes to London airports in place already it seems very unlikely that there would be enough demand for another one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭Masala




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    I heard the Hahn arrival suffered a very hard landing today.

    Initially plans were to wait for an engineer inspection but the crew got the go ahead to depart (remote analysis of the landing data?).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati



    I flew the old Stobart flight connecting to EI and indeed BA many times and generally saw 8 pax on board- for most people it was just too dear unless connecting on a thru ticket which won't be an option for Ryanair. If its pulled is the subvention gone too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,193 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    PSO could be reinstated due to the commercial operator failing; but it would not be instantaneous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    This seems very strange. Could be a typical Ryanair tactic.

    Oh look, nobody is flying the route. Can we have that PSO now please. Sure nobody else will want it and Emerald are now fully committed for their summer schedule and expanding, so wouldn’t have time or resources for a PSO to Kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Is a PSO from Kerry to Dublin still appropriate with the push towards more sustainable modes of transport etc.? I mean there's a railway station two minutes drive from the airport with services to Dublin, it's not exactly a remote isolated location like Carrickfinn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭blackwhite




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭andrewfaulk


    I made a thread on here a few years ago about replacing the PSO with an improved rail service but it didn’t go down well..

    However in the meantime both France and Austria banned domestic flights where a rail option of less than 2.5 and 3 hours was available, and in Frances case it was upheld by the EU.. So with that in mind, our green minister might be reluctant to issue a new PSO for Kerry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭technocrat


    The current train journey to Tralee is approx 4hrs.

    I can’t see any improvements to the rail services reducing the journey to 3hrs or less.

    As a country we just don’t do big public infrastructure. How long as the Metro been in the pipeline?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    And those flights in France still operate, but now as an Air France feeder to CDG. Look at Nantes Paris for example. Flights still operate, so it’s all a bit of a case oh look we’re saying the right thing but doing another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭acequion


    The rail service Tralee to Dublin is dire. When I was going to college in Dublin some 35 odd years ago you were changing in Mallow half the time. Off out in the cold on a winters night, over a bridge, changing platforms and frozen by the time you got on the next train. 40 years on, same story! I used the Stobbart PSO a lot because the times were excellent. Now with the train service so dire or else get the bus, the only option for me when I need to be in Dublin for an early morning meeting is to drive. And drive back that evening. Approx 7 hours driving as opposed to less than two flying. Therefore I'd love the see the PSO reinstated and the Green minister can take a running jump! As for RA doubling their price, not surprised, but in any case the times are useless for business travel day trips.



  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    As with a bit of luck, it never will. It's certainly the last thing I want my taxes being wasted on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭Masala


    Am sure the people in Kerry are happy paying their taxes towards Dublin Bus ... but that’s life I suppose. I don’t like paying my taxes... full stop.



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  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Yes, I for one have no complaint about that. Considering the taxpayers of Dublin subsidise the rest of us!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭acequion


    Taxes are wasted on plenty of rubbish in this country. In my humble opinion taxes to pay for connectivity from the more inaccessible parts of Ireland to and from the capital, helping to promote tourism and industry and provide jobs, is of benefit to the entire country and certainly not a waste.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Good news, I hope they're viable. I'd actually never heard of Quimper previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Same here. Its unusual also that Quimper and Brest are only approx 70km from each other. I wonder why two destinations so close together were selected as both being viable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Good and quite unexpected news.

    Not clear to me if it’s one flight to both both Brest and Quimper or separate services. Not yet bookable on the Chalair website.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭FR738


    looks to be bookable now on chalair.fr, you’re looking at about €150 rt as a lead in price.



  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    One flight to/from Quimper with onwards connection to Brest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Fares are very decent, especially with luggage. Not bad for a week away in France. It seems to run from July to early September.

    I hope it does well enough to operate again next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Very surprising for Kerry, however there's likely good inbound tourism potential there. Can't imagine many locals have ever heard of this airline, or even the places they fly to. I'd never heard of Quimper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Starting fares back down to €19.99 again and available on most flights.

    Wonder did a drop in forward bookings force a U turn on pricing..



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