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Considering moving to the UK?

  • 07-03-2023 12:00am
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    I know their economy isn't doing great these days, but it seems like the cost of living is going up everywhere at the moment unfortunately I personally don't buy the current inflation figure as I have seen my shopping bill go up by way more than the headline 8%. And in terms of politics, is Fina Gale really that different to the Tories in the UK the difference reminds me of the difference between regular mayonnaise and light mayonnaise at the end of the day. They are basically just the same thing with only a slight difference.

    Only really considering it because one of my parents suggested they wanted to move back to the UK, I am fortunate that I have a good place over here and my landlord is decent although I have a fairly s*** job and don't drive, which makes life difficult since it's hard to find anything better both because there aren't that many job opportunities where I am and public transport, as I'm sure you all know is terrible at least here in the West.

    However my parents are quite old and we have always been close so want to continue being close by as they unfortunately reach their final years.

    So I'm interested in hearing anyone's stories that have moved to the UK recently. How have you found finding a place and finding a job where you are?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,940 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    It all depends where you want to move to ,

    In my experience the UK can be vastly different depending on where you go ,Even the city are hugely different to each other

    You can get cheaper houses without question but you also have more crime & every day stuff is getting very expensive

    England has some beautiful places to live but it also has way more social problems than Ireland does it can be extremely rough in places



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The UK is vast, the South and London are very expensive the middle and North less expensive, some places are rough and poor and very little chance of changing, so it all depends.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,861 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Northern Ireland is very nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    The UK is by and large far better in many ways than here. Just very different so really comparisons are not valid. I am in Ireland over 20 years after several decades in the Uk

    Chalk and cheese. If you go to one expecting it to be like the other? Doomed to disappointment. If you go to one with an open heart accepting it as YOU find it day by day? Individual and very different ? As did and was not disappointed. And if I ever went back to the UK I would do the same; accept it as it is when I get there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 777 ✭✭✭dRNk SAnTA


    From what I've seen having "a **** job" in the UK and having "a **** job" in Ireland are two different things. Being poor in England is another ball game. But that said, why not give it a try? You can be home in 6 hours if you don't like it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Exactly how sh1t is your job OP? Does it pay well but you’re bored or is it a low skilled dead end job?

    I wouldn’t go to Engerland without qualifications or skills/experience behind me - there’s plenty of unskilled already there to compete with- I don’t think you’d survive very well. If you’re low skilled, forget buying a car and buy yourself an education instead- there’s tons of free or nearly free university courses out there sponsored by the state and EU on Springboard.

    Also don’t limit yourself to UK- if you qualify, Australia and New Zealand have visas for in demand skills so check those out too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Anywhere you move to you have to bring yourself. If you’re unhappy and dissatisfied in yourself in Ireland then moving to the UK or anywhere else is not going to change that. If you’re happy in yourself you’ll be happy anywhere.

    The thing about the UK is that despite what you’ll hear on Irish media it is a far better run and managed country than Ireland will ever be. And that’s amazing really considering the size of their population in comparison to ours.

    Yes they’re crime ridden areas but mostly that’s to do with successive Labour led councils spending the money very badly. Let them get on with it I say. The people keep voting for these idiots. Avoid these areas and you’ll be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Lol.

    None of the above is true except perhaps the unhappiness travelling with you.

    The UK of 2005 is dead and buried the Conservative party dam well made sure of that through incredible funding cuts and deregulation.

    Joke that anyone thinks it's well run and or the issues are related to an out of power labour party. Money comes from top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I sometimes think about going back to the UK where I was born and lived for about five decades.

    But when I see items on the news etc. I do not recognise it , and anyway my chosen lifestyle is deep rural and much the same here as there - but far less populated here.

    And I have no family etc there

    As long as I am deep rural/coastal I choose Ireland. and have deep roots in the local community here now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,203 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’ve spent quite a lot of time in London, Manchester, Edinburgh and Glasgow.

    work, leisure trips and way back in the day I was seeing a girl from Edinburgh so that and Glasgow are places I know well.

    Never in a second would I contemplate a move from Dublin to there.

    things I like about those places but living, no.

    if I wanted to get out of here, Paris, Madrid, Nice, Rome, Bari are places I’d consider.

    certain parts of the UK are very expensive, wages are low.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I think London is the best city in the world, it has everything. This is my second stint here although the first one was a lot longer.

    Accom is a mare here now queues for flats etc like in Dublin. Its expensive too, I feel like groceries are dearer here, apart from booze. My local it's 6.50 quid for a pint of lager, but they only sell hipster beers around here.

    But do it if you can. It's a way more diverse and happening society and life here, mostly due to the sheer numbers. And it feels like home, everyone seems to treat Irish people like natives here, at least nowadays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    How long are you living there now? Would you not just move back to Ireland if it’s that awful?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah like the stuff local councils do over here compared to home is on another level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭quokula


    I spent over a decade in London and it's an incredible place to live. Whatever your interests are, whoever you are, you will find like minded people and find endless things to do.

    But it is also much, much more expensive than Dublin and housing is an absolute nightmare there compared to here. In recent years the NHS has been on its knees along with every other public service, and Brexit did have a real and noticeable impact - on more than one occasion I was on the receiving end of racist or xenophobic comments, and as an Irish person I had it easy compared to some of my other non-British friends. This only ever happened when I ventured outside of London though, the city itself remains a multicultural and welcoming haven.

    If I was 20 again I'd still move back to London in an instant, but as someone starting a family with young children, Dublin is a far better place from the point of view of housing, safety, air quality, schools, social safety nets etc

    And honestly, regarding your comment about Fine Gael, they are not remotely anywhere near being close to the Tories. I'd say Fine Gael would be analogous to the Lib Dems and Fianna Fail would be analogous to Labour. The Tories are off the chart that exists in Irish politics. Living in the UK and reading the news and seeing what the governing party were getting up to regularly was not good for mental health.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Generally speaking moving from a country with a per capita GDP that is twice the one you are heading to is not much of a strategy to beat the cost of living expense. On the other hand moving to another country purely for the economics does not work either as you need more than that to sustain you over the long run.

    But from what you say there are a lot of other factors at play in your thinking. I know of one young man who moved to the US from Ireland because his aged parents decided to go back there and that did not end well. Basically after a few months the parents decided the US had changed so much that they did not like it anymore and moved back to Ireland! So I'd be caucus about making a decision based on what your parents think they want. Let them go for awhile and see if they actually do settle down there and then decide on your move.

    Your parents aside, if you are going to be poor then try and do it in a warm country it's a lot more pleasant and cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    i assume your parents are over 60, its strange to move to the uk,unless they own property there or else they are gauranteed of finding a cheap place to live, with low rent. staff are leaving the nhs due to overwork and stress .the general quality of medical care in the nhs is going down.

    the hse in ireland depends alot of eu non nationals and being part of the eu makes it easy for trained nurses and doctors to move to ireland.

    brexit has been a disaster for the uk in terms of the economy ,eg most uk companys depend of free acess to the eu market.inflation is effecting every country including the uk.you could end up paying more rent in the uk than in ireland depending on where you live.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It depends on what you want out of life the multiculturalism and opportunities appeal to a lot of people the lovely well of middle-class bits are very nice, and the history and tourism appeal to a lot of people, London is still despite Brexit a vast financial hub, Manchester has become very trendy/hipster/media oriented.

    There is more chance for people to reinvent themself one of my daughters commented about a terminally single woman she knows here, there is no way she'd be single in the UK, too many choices here, people from all over the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I work with probably with I'd say more than 35 different nationalities. The notion there isn't people from all over the world in Dublin is... bizarre.

    My guess would be terminally single is terminally not doing anything about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I lived all my life in England and only moved to Ireland after the referendum.

    The finest gift my dear old mum gave me was my right to citizenship!

    I worked throughout the UK and found the cities pretty gruesome. I still have my place over there but can never see myself returning.

    The Tories are like no Irish party. They lie continually and avoid the truth at all costs. Look at the BBC and compare the reporting with the Guardian if you want a bit of information and truth.


    Wherever you go in England and to a smaller extent the rest of the UK you will see signs asking "customers" not to abuse or assault staff. Those signs are everywhere, Tolls, local government establishments, shops, doctors surgeries.

    The fairly obvious indicator of the hate mentality which has diffused through the UK is an indication of the way the place has changed over the decades I lived there.

    Why Britain with the whole of the EU to go at?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    The op needs to understand how inflation is calculated.

    8% is OVERALL inflation.

    It's an AVERAGE.

    Food price inflation is currently 16%. In the UK it hit 20%.

    The UK is not cheap. Some items are cheaper, many are more expensive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I have lived in Uk all my life and genuinely wouldn’t swap it for anywhere. I love it. But the Uk is a big population in comparison to Ireland and it is incredibly diverse and areas to live are completely different. I am just back from a trip to london and I would hate to live there (lovely to visit). I was chatting to people who wouldn’t contemplate living anywhere other than London.

    so whatever you are after you will find it in the Uk, but also whatever you want to avoid you will also find it in the Uk. So you need to visit and travel it before deciding which area to live in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    That's depressing.

    Hospitals in the UK are well known for the attacks on medical staff though, so perhaps the problem is alcohol related or indeed due to the stress of someone in pain or in fear of their affliction.


    I doubt that either situation is likely to encourage "customers" to read the instructions before being violent or abusive.


    So sad!

    Maybe it's time to scrap the educational system in both countries and use the cash for other things?

    If you have to actually have to read a sign to tell you how humans are expected to behave, then maybe something is seriously wrong?

    Maybe these signs should be more pictorial anyway, "violent behaviour" is going to be an insurmountable reading challenge for someone unable to grasp the concept of respect for others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    People under stress react in many ways and this is one way unfortunately and possibly drink- related if accidental injury?

    Far wiser to warn like this; and surely affects only a few folk.

    NB I lived in the UK most of my life and was in A and E at various times and never saw any hint of violence. They have to warn to avoid legal repercussions in the rare event of any such injury.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lol at the "big population in comparison to Ireland and it is incredibly diverse" spin when you actually live in a closed minded, bigoted, subvented "wee country". With political parties who belive earth is only a few thousand years old.

    Parties which you support.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Maybe that many of those who attend A and E get hurt in eg a fight or drunk? and yes, alcohol a factor ..I think that that s what this refers to. Living deep rural means I have had perforce sometimes had to go to A and E more than many as safer and faster than getting your GP out. and I have never ever seen a drunk there or anyone being violent. This was the case in the UK and certainly is here.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    And in terms of politics, is Fina Gale really that different to the Tories in the UK the difference reminds me of the difference between regular mayonnaise and light mayonnaise at the end of the day. 

    No rational person would think regular mayonnaise is similar to light mayonnaise, in the end of the day or at the crack of dawn.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Piskin


    The UK is an impressive country. London is a world class city. Outside London I found Southampton the best to live in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    City hater here! before I left the UK I drifted further and further north....And to offshore islands. Then to Ireland and now offshore permanently.

    It depends on the lifestyle you seek and value and need. Long since retired and being all but housebound, towns and cities have no appeal. We have the internet etc these days which has made a huge difference and I have enough friends on the island now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Thanks, you are probably one of the many thousands in both countries with the same experience.

    There is the point that newspapers never keep a readership without emphasising the newsworthy which more often than not encourages disgust or fear.

    Living in a UK city though it was like a zoo come Friday and Saturday night, I would find it hard to believe some of the people hurling abuse and brawling didn't make it to the hospital.

    It is reputed to be a common problem, assaults on medical staff there although it is beyond my personal experience thank goodness. There was even talk of making assault charges specific regarding emergy workers, but it's difficult to gauge what is need driven and what is playing to the fear of the electorate there.


    My only personal experience of assaults in the UK were a couple of vicious attacks on shop windows, the last one being on a kebab shop at pub kicking out time in the South of England. The management were obviously at fault though as the sign asking customers not to be violent only applied to staff and not the windows of the establishment.

    Regardless really, despite it being the country I was born in and spent most of my "allocated span" in, Brexit and the hate it brought to the surface made it a pleasure to leave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I do not have a political bone in my body and not even sure where I was re Brexit. I think maybe here by then... But it was all way over my head.

    But the thought of anyone attacking emergency room staff.

    I have a memory re I think Tralee emergency room.... That anyone who was at all the worse for drink had to wait in a separate room where security were on duty. Now THAT makes sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭pauly58


    I was brought up around Southampton & I left to come to West Cork in 1986. I've been back three times since then & the area is unrecognizable : fields & woods I used to play in as a kid are now housing estates, places I would walk around in the early hours, including the red light areas & be safe are no longer. Apparently it's the Kurds fighting the Iraqi's or something, I used to go to sound systems with the Rasta's never a problem.

    Don't get me wrong, there are some lovely places in the New Forest, but burglaries around Fordingbridge have been a problem according to my brother. The last time I was over was nearly ten years ago & was never so happy to see Cork again .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    So sorry. And no it is never good to go back to what you knew as lovely decades ago. Once there was a wild field with a pond with ducks and dragonflies.... Now it is houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭pauly58


    Funny you should say that, I was only saying to my wife the other day about a lovely little pond that always had moorhens on & dragonflies, we used to play around it : all built over now. Funny for all the massive housing estates there no more doctor's surgeries or new schools, my brother says nearly four weeks to see a doctor, Ireland's not so bad for all our problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Agree.. But in the UK there is huge variation between urban and rural as there can be here.. I never had any wait to see a dr in the UK as I lived deep rural... and when I lived city we just went to A and E in need..

    I do occasionally think re going back... but in my last years there I moved further and further North until jumping the sea to here. It just was so overpopulated etc and ..legalistic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,861 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I don't think the OP will return at midnight or the end of the day to share any more musings on mayonnaise.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Councillor Nial Ring would disagree with Irish being treated as natives

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ex-lord-mayor-of-dublin-and-son-hospitalised-and-called-irish-pigs-in-racist-attack-ahead-of-chelsea-match-in-london-42378377.html



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sorry everyone, I'm only getting a chance to reply right now unfortunately the job I have takes a lot out of me. So all I want to do in the evening when I get in the door late is have something to eat and go to bed and sometimes mindlessly scroll through Twitter.

    I should have mentioned that I am originally from the UK London, specifically having grown up there in the 90s and early 2000s. I did say a change and not one for the better. Although I was lucky to grow up on the edge of the green belt rather than in one of the more congested areas of the city, I'm sorry if this offends anyone but I think objectively the UK countryside is far nicer than the Irish countryside which is littered with badly designed one of houses and it's just a patchwork of private fields, we desperately need to have more walking and cycling trails like they have in the UK.

    If I did move back it definitely wouldn't be to London instead. It would probably be somewhere like Essex or Kent. That way I could be close to the countryside while at the same time close to London where some of my family still live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    An isolated incident. Something like 400k paddies in London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,376 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    i would think and hope so, but given the rhetoric against immigrants from the nasty party it would be naive to think they won't start going at white immigrants again and in turn cause such incidents to become more widespread unfortunately.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Id consider Preston .i had great years living there. Nice people and a huge Irish dispora



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    That is a very generalised image. and inaccurate thus

    Maybe you don't realise how much of the UK is still deeply rural and unaffected by the issues you mention? Far more so than Ireland. Also what you say re social welfare is inaccurate. England was my home for 60 years by the way.... as a worker then on social welfare/invalidity benefit .....which is much easier there than here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,861 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It will be two or three going over, all English originally. The OP did not specify that they are going to the South East in their original information, just the UK. They should know what to expect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Piskin


    I lived in Soton back in the early 80's in the Derby Road area, it was fun and pretty safe. I went back after 30 yrs away and yes it has grown and a bit rougher but it is still a good city. You have the historic with the new though the design of new buildings now are ugly. It still has a good feel to it walking around and the people are relaxed. New Forest just 10 mins away etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Join a club , eg a snooker club , for cheap pints 🍺



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good advice, have a look at what works for you, no point moving to London if you want the quiet life with the beach on your doorstep.

    Im born and bred in London, nearly 30 years loving there before moving here with my now wife. I love London, I can’t get enough of going back to it, I like Dublin too but in comparison it feels like a town to me as opposed to a city!

    As others have mentioned it is very expensive though, you used to be able to have a decent enough life on a middle of the road salary, you would want to be earning a lot now to have that same lifestyle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Piskin


    True, as one gets older you don't want the hassle of crowds and hours wasted getting from A to B. The internet helps a hell of a lot for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Originally from Dublin, with rural roots, I lived in semi-rural Kent for a little over a decade and watched it get progressively more and more concreted-over. By the middle of that decade, I could not reconcile myself to the thought of raising a family there, as it looked like every aspect of life was on a downward trajectory. So we upped and moved, out of the UK completely.

    With some family members still there, I went back semi-regularly over the following 15 years and both the county and its towns got progressively grottier and grottier. When working in Northern France, I used to enjoy scooting over at the weekends to see old friends and do a bit of shopping for things we just can't get in France, but I'm here working in Northern France again this week and after my most recent (pre-Covid, pre-Brexit) excursions, I have absolutely no desire to go back there now. The one person I might have gone to see let me know they were going to be in Dublin a couple of weeks ago, so we met up there instead.

    Of four close family members who were still living in Kentfive years ago, two have left completely (also citing no desire ever to go back to the county after trips at the end of last year) - one for Wales, the other to the far north of Scotland; a third is hoping to move to northern England as soon as possible, and only "lives" in Kent in a notional sense but spends most of her time in London. The fourth has had to move several times as her rented accommodation was successively sold on to yet another highest bidder; she would also have left long ago, but was on a hospital waiting list and didn't want to have start at the bottom of another. She finally got to see a consultant and have her necessary treatment, last week, after six years.

    I'm in the relatively fortunate position of being able to compare the life trajectories of several people who stayed in Kent with those who left on or about the same time. In every single case, those who left are way more successful professionally, way more satisfied in their personal lives, and generally way better off than the people who stayed.

    The only person I know from Essex is emigrating to Australia next week, citing the abhorrent nature of life in England these days, especially the level of abuse from clients (she works in the same public-facing profession as me). She was previously considering coming to work alongside me in a French organisation, but Brexit killed that opportunity stone dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I get a Christmas bonus from the UK EVERY YEAR with my pension from there! Doubting your figures all along now!

    And the cost of food and rent are much higher here than in the UK. I was shocked at first.. and THAT is why eg social welfare is higher here.... It has to be!

    So your biassed anti UK post is untrustworthy!

    And health care? NHS beats HSE hands down. lol....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,771 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Graces7 your experiences from twenty years ago are no longer the case in many instances. Things have dis improved greatly in the UK and it is one of the most unequal societies in the world. Ireland is better in that regard at least.



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