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Scotland v Ireland match Thread by. chat GPT.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭phog


    It's obvious Farrell hasn't a clue, the internet is always right



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That was some win. Scotland were terrific in the first half, ultra physical and probably should have gone in ahead. Russell was good throughout but very impressive and accurate in that first 40.

    They really fell apart in the second half, our breakdown tidied up with whatever adjustments were made at half time and when Gibson-Park came on the tempo completely rocked them. Murray was very good in the first half, when Scotland got motoring they made territory quite effectively and Murray did a tidy job of keeping them out of our 22. We really needed his physical presence in defence on a few occasions when Scotland had us stretched and they heavily targeted both our halves in attack for very little return.

    The level and specific nature of the disruption today could have been hugely limiting, effectively losing your set piece in a tight game would be game over for plenty of top sides, but the fact that Ireland didn't seem all that phased was incredible.

    We locked our game down a bit in the first half when we started losing players but some big performances kept Scotland out. O'Mahony was utterly unreal, just absolutely everywhere and for a player who usually does 60 minutes he was still launching himself into tackles in the last 10. VDF similarly had a massive game and made up for the loss of Doris with ball in hand, got a couple of steals and of course his composure throwing into the line out was remarkable. Healy similarly should take a bow - a formidable task for both players and they exceeded expectations.

    Back three were brilliant, far better than their counterparts. Hansen was deserved motm but Lowe had a huge game and Keenan as usual just makes the right calls consistently. Sexton should be very pleased with his outing, incredible physicality from a 37 year old. Ringrose not at his best today and was largely at fault for their try, but his missed tackle count is often down to closing down space and the wide channels and is clearly a team tactic that he is primarily responsible for implementing (we sometimes see Hansen and Lowe doing the same). Furlong similarly not quite at full pitch though showed great hands a few times. He was bunched at around 25 minutes but got a second wind late in the first half and was solid until he came off. Porter with another 80 minute performance, few props can boast that level of work for a full game but he seems to take it in his stride, phenomenal athlete.

    James Ryan matched his France performance and was unlucky not to bag a try (that we really could have done with going into next week). He is creasing lads in contact this season in a way he hasn't before, really upped his physicality. Conan should also be mighty pleased with his performance, he is likely to start next week so no harm getting the confidence up. Coombes might well be about to get a shot off the bench but hard to know - Doris wasn't right after he took that high ball and landed awkwardly but seemed relatively ok at full time.

    Ringrose definitely won't be back next week but going by Farrell's post match he hopefully is fine generally speaking. Sheehan likely won't be available given the 6 day turnaround and hard to know how serious Kelleher was but I'm presuming if he couldn't throw then he's a doubt. If Henderson has broken his wrist he's going to miss the rest of the season which would be hugely disappointing as he's been improving game on game.

    Brilliant win, 15 points but should have been more even with so much going against us. France's win yesterday and the lack of the bonus point means a win next week is a must, France will BP Wales so we need to take the kitchen sink England are going to throw at us and throw it back at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Have you played 9 before? The fresh 9 comes on to a completely different game. The Scots should have been given a yellow for the shithousery they were at in the rucks in the first 40. Murray actually saved us losing ball in some of those rucks. He also put in some very crucial and physical tackles.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Was Sexton’s pass forward at 4:10?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    This sounds exactly like the owl lad, George Hook. Could never be happy with a win, always excusing wins by slagging the opposition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    That’s not true, some refs don’t but we have seen plenty of players carded after the score in the last few years.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All things being equal it's not up there with our greatest ever wins. We well won in the end and would have absolutely hammered Scotland but for the injuries (we were one score away from doing that either way). We've played against better opposition and won.

    But. It's certainly one of our best ever performances. I watch a lot of rugby and have been doing so for a long time and it's extremely rare to have an openside throwing into the line out and a prop as hooker, it's borderline unheard of to have those situations in play and to be winning scrums and securing lineout ball.

    Great teams would fall apart in those circumstances, would go to uncontested scrums and would have the ball pinched at line out all game. Ireland actually improved as the situation deteriorated. I've never really seen the like, huge composure, belief and mental acuity to navigate through to a convincing win. Scotland almost beat France and beat England (both away from home) and we made them look average.



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Yes. And yes Murray is a strong physical defender and a physical presence and he is good under a high ball and a reliable box kicker but his job number one in this team is quick ball and this endless nonsense being talked on here about messy rucks is pointless as that is not what I am talking about. It's the delay in his game once he has his hands on the ball. JGP fires it out the moment he can, Murray waits, looks waits and then goes. It may only be a split second delay in some cases but that is the difference between getting in behind the defence and not.

    We are a different team with JGP there. Is Murray second best ? I am not sure but Farrell feels his solidity in the other aspects of his game are worth sticking with and no one else is putting their hand up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I once read Murray was slow, now when I watch the game I insist all slow ball is because Murray is playing.

    I must be right.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Can you not see the difference in ball speed (once the 9 has his hands on it) between JGP and Murray ? If you can't fine , fair enough but please honestly tell me what you think ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Great win, that is all. Good night folks and see y'all again next Saturday.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,514 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    I think Scotland did a lot of that, they just couldn't maintain it over the 80



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Actually came on to say exactly this, Murray was so slow today, the difference when JGP came on was immediately apparent, he basically won the game. Murray was arriving at rucks, the ones he got to, and only then was looking around for the next pass, JGP looked and knew where he was going before he arrived, you can see it clearly for Lowe's try.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Distinctly remember James Ryan getting a yellow for Leinster for collapsing a maul that still scored a few years ago, Hogg should definitely have been carded for tackling from offside.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    Are you saying @Ragwort and Stones with his 40 years of following the game is talking through his hoop? Haha



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    I still disagree. It says more about Scotland than anything else about us.

    You give one single point but make out like it's two seperate things - us not having a hooker is the thing that happened. VDF threw in because he's the best at it. The Italian prop last year was good at it too.

    It says more about Scotland that you know where the ball is going, you know the flanker isn't going to be as accurate, yet you can't steal it.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭standardg60


    What's the point in being facetious?

    He had a poor game today, that is all, i'd have been happy to see him subbed after 20 mins. His failure to find touch directly led to the Scottish try.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭crossman47


    I don't agree at all. it wasn't Murrays fault we were getting slow ruck ball and he was the right man for a dog fight like the first half. Yes JPG did well - he came on when the game as opening up and made the best of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭crusd


    Usually when it’s foul play. Try was scored therefore the cynical play did not prevent the try scoring opportunity



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    It was the 2nd time Hogg was cynical on his own 5m line



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can disagree all you like - 2:43 on the post match, Farrell specifically states that in terms of character and fight it's the best game he's ever been involved in.

    Good bad or indifferent, Scotland are a decent side and to lose your set piece and key players against them and then win by multiple scores is exceptional.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭crusd


    It was cynical play but it wasn’t foul play and Ireland scored. The only way he could have been carded is if they disallowed the try and went back for the penalty



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Repeated cynical infringements on your own Try line. Should have been a YC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yep, next week now a must win and the English will love nothing better that the opportunity to sour that.

    What was the full story with the first disallowed try? Scottish mistake if one was made and yet they benefited. Seemed at odds with the general idea of advantage and the attacking team benefiting etc.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    @squidgainz

    Game is over 2hours ago, move on. You displayed a lot of ignorance about the game. Time to stop digging. It's such an easy game, no doubt you could go in and throw lineouts with no prep on Saturday. Of course your rugby odyssey has started with 'following this team'.

    No one claimed that technically this was the greatest Irish performance, but in terms of handling adversity.

    Simple narrative is all you can cope with. Scotland bad, Ireland should beat them no matter what, is the limit of your comprehension.

    You've got a far longer reply than the calibre of your posts deserve.

    Post edited by Ragwort and Stones on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I'd have no hesitation calling that one of the best wins of Farrell's tenure.

    Pretty much everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, and we still ended up pushing for a bonus point.

    Absolutely brilliant display.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    This isn't correct. The ref is entitled to award the try and still show the yellow.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If the ball is kicked into touch, the team that is due to throw into the lineout can take a quick lineout provided it's the same ball that went out (if it goes into crowd or over hoardings then it's automatically a new ball). In this instance the ball was replaced with a new ball so you can't take a quick line out but Scotland did. The ref didn't cop and a few phases later Ireland score.

    Scotland got a do-over despite it being their mistake. There was also a foul against Doris (tackled in the air) that phase which I'm pretty sure resulted in him going off.

    The ref was technically correct but the law needs to be reviewed, if the ref doesn't realise what has happened the defending team get a free shot. Very rare situation but gameable in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Fantastic result. The first 15 mins or so of the second half, Ireland soaked up so much pressure amid multiple injuries - in such matches are champions made.

    Onwards to next weekend.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    Hahah digging a hole? Because I've gone against your view that it was one of our greatest ever wins? Baffled by your rugby knowledge, simply baffled. What did I say about the game that was ignorant?



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    Healy was interviewed after the game, such a calm head on him. He didn't seem to phased about scrumming from hooker so I suspect he's covered it at training. Also said that VDF does a lot of line out throwing during training so wasn't entirely new to him either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭degsie


    Very proud of the performance given the extent of the injuries.


    That disallowed try was daft! Scotland screwed up to Irelands benefit and the try should have stood. Is this one of the dafter of the rugby 'laws'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I wonder if any action would have been taken if the Scots got possession or if no try was scored? Was it only brought to refs attention after the try? It'd be interesting to know the sequence of communications there. If the Scots had taken possession and cleared down field, were the officials going to pull it back for a re throw? Something odd about it all.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭fitz


    That kind of performance cements it for me...we've become a side like the great NZ teams, we just seem to have a few extra gears to find a way to win and even decent sides like the current Scotland teams need an 85 minute performance to compete. Fully expect a rout next week, even if we're missing a few key players in Ringrose, Doris, Sheehan and Kelleher. Herring, Baird and Henshaw in to start, and Coombes to the bench won't really weaken us significantly. Would be interested to hear who folks think will bench at hooker/lock?

    Also, it hasn't really been mentioned, but I think Baird really took a serious step up today. If he can stay fit, he's going to be a mainstay for us.

    Post edited by fitz on


  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Daft law alright and needs looking at. Simply needs to be a penalty with advantage option as judged by the ref. So in this case Ireland scored with the advantage and if not back for a penalty to Ireland. It's a minor issue as it rarely causes an issue like this but one that needs correcting. Ultimately responsibility for using the right ball has to be with the team making that choice and a penalty for not using the right ball.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The line official brought it to the refs attention.



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    I've no idea if it would have been called back but again, that's the problem - if it's not spotted then the defending team has a free shot. We didn't score immediately but I think it was picked up by the linesman and not the TMO so it's probably more likely that it would have been called back.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's hard to know, a situation could arise where the defending time doesn't realise that the ball has been changed so penalising them wouldn't be reasonable in that circumstance either.

    It's a highly rare situation, but the outcome today didn't seem reasonable so I wouldn't be surprised to see some clarification in the coming weeks on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    After the try was scored I think. But if Scotland had got possession and cleared, was he going to pull it back then for a retake? I'm sure that'll be one of the matters raised. The cynic in me suggests that the officials would just have let it slide in that case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Former Former Former



    No, this is totally wrong and grossly unfair.

    The touch judge puts his flag up before Doris catches it. It was never going to be a try and if Scotland had cleared, it would have been brought back.

    Absolutely perfect officiating and the ref and touch judge deserve credit for that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Yes,I think they would have called it back. It's not like a mistake as in knocking the ball in and playing advantage or whatever - you need to go back and retake it (I say that as someone that way he'd that heartbreaking Mike Philips try).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    There seems to be some who simply look up the current rankings and see Ireland at 1 and Scotland at 5, and come away with Ireland are great and Scotland are sh1te. This is the whole of their actual analysis.. staggering ignorance



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    I know what you mean but ultimately responsibility has to be with someone and it makes sense for it to be the team opting to take a quick line-out so something you only do if you are sure - i.e catching the ball just off the field which is how it nearly always happens anyway. You are absolutely right though we do need some clear clarification on it as it was a farcical situation.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    And there seems to be some who thinks our best ever win was beating Scotland hahahahah



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    I'm in the camp of being correct. Nothing about that win qualifies it as our greatest ever win. I'm pretty sure you agreed yourself so not fully sure what's changed your mind lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think the whole forum gets it. You don’t think it was our greatest ever win…. Good for you. Moving on..



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