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Scotland v Ireland match Thread by. chat GPT.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    I think Andy Farrell has brought a mental toughness to this Irish team that we've never seen before in an Irish rugby team.

    Schmidt's teams had all the plays, technically so well brought out. But I don't think they'd have won today. Maybe it's the rugby league background. But this team doesn't do panic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭leakyboots



    True, they had their moments in the first half but we turned the screw after half time. I just found it interesting that Aki was getting slaughtered last week for a poor defensive showing and I thought Ringrose was very poor defensively today but with him on here it's 'he doesn't need to make the tackle, just slow them down' - and I'm not sure he did that today. But it's rare he has an off day.

    We seem to be much fitter than other teams, or maybe it's our style of play is exhausting for defences. We're exceptionally well drilled.

    The injuries were a good stress test of what could happen in a World Cup (not that we want players getting injured obviously). We've a decent plan if we lose our hookers. It was very interesting that Baird was used as defensive jumper when he came on instead of POM for a while, think POM stole one later on when he went back to that role. Both Baird and POM were sensational at securing lineout ball (VdF too for his throwing!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,757 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Ireland's passing is levels above where it was a few years ago, Keenan and Hansen in particular draw defenders and time their passes extremely well. Looks simple but most players seem to get it wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Lowe had confidence in our outside centre so stayed wider not giving opportunity to spread the play. Huge difference.

    Definitely fitter. Great weapon in our armory.

    It looks like we have a plan. That match should scare other teams coming against us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭A2LUE42


    It was being flagged as the ball was thrown, but because of the speed of the rucks and noise, it was only after the 'try' was scored that it was called back. The most unfortunate thing about it was the injury to Doris. I'd regard it in the same way as a quick tap being taken from the wrong place. It is just really unusual for it to play out the way it did today, with a team losing a quick lineout and then conceding a try.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    On those criticising Murray's speed of service, Scotland were making the ruck a complete mess in the fisrt half and getting away with it.


    I Don’t remember him pinging them but that does make sense. They certainly weren’t making as much sh1t of our ball in the second half. It seemed that nearly every ruck had a Scottish player laying on the wrong side of it. Not preventing clear outs but getting in Murray’s way and making no attempt to move. In the second half it was happening a lot less. Maybe Barnes had words with him.

    Barnes wanted VDM pinged for the no arms hit on Hansen. Seemed like Pearce was determined not to give a card today though. As they certainly should have been carded for Hogg in the first half or Hogg and Richie in the second half. It seemed like Scotland were more than happy to give up penalties in the red zone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Have to say the lineout crisis management was excellent. POM, Baird and Ryan all really delivered but what more can be said about VDF. Plenty of teams would be throwing crooked lineouts or getting robbed in the same lineout situation. Funnily enough I kinda expected Healy to go well once he was properly lining up for that first scrum at hooker. He's incredibly driven and has persevered through a lot in his playing career.

    We've been handed injury setbacks before like before the 2015 World Cup quarter final against Argentina which we couldn't recover from. Today was even more of a potential deer in headlights situation with little time to properly plan but this group of players seem to have balls of steel. To pull through that and nearly grab a TBP win is gonna be some boost.

    At the same time I've zero doubt England are gonna put in their best showing of the campaign in next week after that backlash. They won't start Smith and will be stronger for it imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    They don't get a free shot. If they had gone up the field and scored the same law applies, their try would not stand. Assuming the officials spotted it.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Its a free shot to knowingly try it. There is no reason for Wales not to go for the illegal quick throw that they scored against us for example - and that paid off for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    No it wasn't. And all the posters on here calling the ref stoned or corrupt, saying that Ireland were playing against 16, the ref was crap, those posters are dickheads. If there is a specific decision you disagree with, call it out and back it up. Childish screaming about the ref just pisses me off.

    There were 2 decisions I'd question. Hogg not getting a yellow for the arm grab: no YC when Lowe scored but it is rare for refs to issue a card after a try; Healy's tap penalty, thought that was a retake but I could be wrong.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I accept that ref's will sometimes warn a player not to infringe, but twice Pearce kept White from infringing at the breakdown and its crossing into on field coaching territory at that point. The breakdown was a mess in the first half, a lot down to slow tackle completion giving Scotland the chance to disrupt and quite a few times players (from both teams) falling on the wrong side and not getting pinged.

    I think JGP is a bit more live to interference at the breakdown, if there is a whiff of a counter ruck the ball is away but as others have said it was a very different game when he arrived on the pitch.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They get a free shot at quickly clearing their lines in a high risk fashion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    So I'm a dickhead then?

    There should have been at least two yellow cards for Scotland. Numerous times in from the side and not a bother.

    The ref was ctap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Trying to interpret these comments:

    Looks like Doris and Sheehan might be playing against England?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    All refs coach then.. you need to use preventatitve language otherwise there would be a penalty at every tackle/ruck for one of players in side/off feet/not rolling away etc

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    Same player, same offence twice is pushing the boundaries imo. Similarly Hogg commits two penalties (one highly cynical) inside the Scottish 5m and isn't sent to the bin, just a bit too inconsistent today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    To put it mildly, Farrell has hugely exceeded my expectations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭snow mad


    I think What most are saying is in response to someome saying Murray was pants today.


    jgp is faster and more suited to the way ireland are playing

    but Murray has adapted his game and if back to a decent level of form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Sounds promising on Doris and Sheehan, but I'll wait until later in the week before really hoping. Ireland tend to be pretty cagey on when players are actually available to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭phog


    JGP suffered similar to Murray with slow ball in the lead up to one try, I think it was Lowe's try, his pass to Lowe wasn't even brilliant but because he's not Murray he's judged differently by a few posters.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    No it's definitely a scrum, can't remember the game but it happened a couple of years ago too, Healy was laughing about it afterwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    No.one is saying that Murray is as quick as JGP. But being able to pass ball out quicker is the result of many functions. Players being quicker and more accurate in support of the tackled player + less (tiring) opposition effort to slow / disrupt ruck speed + more rucks in attack than in defense etc.

    JGP is arguably in his prime & playing in a great side and Murray is not quite the player he was. But compared to Murray, the greatest 9 we've ever had, when he was in his prime can JGP match that ?. I certainly hope he does and I'd wager that Murray, as a consummate professional, shares that hope.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think when our pack are motoring JGP facilitates our go forward better than any other 9 in Ireland but you only need to go back to the Ireland / England match last year to see how that isn't always what we need. Murray was the difference when he came on in that game because tactically and territorially he's a better game manager and we were gifting England consistent 3 pointers playing in the wrong areas of the pitch (despite them being down to 14 men).

    We had much faster ball when JGP was on the pitch but as I said above, Scotland were not contesting to nearly the same degree or effectiveness at that point. I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that JGP is quicker both to the breakdown and quicker getting the ball away - not really arsed looking for stats to prove that but to my mind it's pretty apparent. Murray has adapted a good deal whilst still bringing that nous into his play, he's had a terrific six nations.

    If I had to bet though - I'd suspect JGP will start against England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Give it up, vast majority of neutrals saw that JGP changed the game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    I can't see the logic in that statement. It isn't legal to throw in with another ball. So there is nothing to be gained. It is always called back, or should be. If they had benefitted they wouldn't have, because it would have been called back. There's no free shot. It was flagged before the try was even scored.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Here's the thing; JGP can have changed the game AND he can have been getting better ball than Murray was from the ruck. Both those things can be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    IIRC the Yellow card was first introduced to discourage cynical play ie; commiting a penalisable offence deliberately rather than just 'getting it wrong'.

    The deliberate knock on when 'attempting' an interception is a good example of this interpretation. By that measure Hogg should have seen Yellow, particularly as he had already been penalised in their red zone for offside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Come on! Making excuses for Murray (one of my favourite players by the way)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    I think people are saying that because a try is scored then a Yellow is not often shown for cynical play, whereas a try being scored would not effect a Yellow being shown for foul play in the lead up.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Here’s some chat gpt death metal




    The pitch is set, the battle begins,

    The sound of flesh on flesh, it rings,

    The roar of the crowd, the clash of steel,

    The will to win, the need to kill.

    Chorus:

    Irish rugby, death and pain,

    A battle cry that echoes in vain,

    In the hearts of those who play,

    With the will to kill and slay.

    Verse 2:

    The bloodied bodies, the broken bones,

    The warrior's rage, the heart of stone,

    The fearlessness, the iron will,

    The drive to crush, the thirst to kill.

    Chorus:

    Irish rugby, death and pain,

    A battle cry that echoes in vain,

    In the hearts of those who play,

    With the will to kill and slay.

    Verse 3:

    The scrum, the maul, the lineout throw,

    The battle rages, the blood does flow,

    The kicks, the tackles, the brutal hits,

    The shattered bodies, the broken bits.

    Chorus:

    Irish rugby, death and pain,

    A battle cry that echoes in vain,

    In the hearts of those who play,

    With the will to kill and slay.

    Verse 4:

    And when the final whistle blows,

    And the battle ends, the victory shows,

    The warriors stand, the victors proud,

    Their battle won, their foes disavowed.

    Chorus:

    Irish rugby, death and pain,

    A battle cry that echoes in vain,

    In the hearts of those who play,

    With the will to kill and slay.

    Outro:

    The pitch is empty, the battle done,

    The warriors leave, their battle won,

    Their hearts still pounding, their eyes still fierce,

    Their souls still raging, their victory clear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭snow mad


    and we have had awful trouble getting in behind defences this 6 nations so far?

    give a player his due for massively inproving a part of his game



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It's not an excuse. I think JGP had cleaner ball. He did brilliantly from it. I'd have him clearly ahead of Murray.

    But I also think Murray did fine today. And is having a very good 6 Nations overall.

    But someone saying they'd be happy for Murray to be subbed off after 20 mins (and doubly so in light of the injury issues)? Nah. Way off, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    He made the ruck ball quicker by getting there sooner and having his pass already selected. I've nothing against Murray, he's stepped up to the plate the last couple of games, but he had an off day today. Johnny mentioned how slow the ruck ball was in the first half in the press conference, make of that what you will.

    Jgp will start next week, Casey may even be on the bench, time will tell..



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    But it's not all on JGP for making the ruck ball quicker, or indeed all on Murray for making the ruck ball slower, tho. That's too reductive.

    I think JGP will start next week. I'd be extremely surprised if Casey benches, given how Murray has gone the last few games.

    If anything, I think Murray has proven he can play with the tempo this system requires in the last number of games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    It is correct I’m afraid. You cannot award a yellow card when there is no penalty awarded. The only cases where a yellow will happen after a try is scored is in the case of a penalty try or dangerous play.

    In the case today Scotland committed deliberate fouls the prevent Ireland scoring, except Ireland scored, so it didn’t prevent the score.

    Can anyone point to an example where I am incorrect? I can’t recall any but am open to correction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    introduced to punish cynical play that prevents a try scoring opportunity. Given Ireland scored Hogg did not succeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Again with the excuses. Murray still has a lot to offer, but he slows down play. We had no hooker for half the match, lost an 8 and second row but still the ball was quicker when jdp came on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Could a team facing a much bigger pack deliberately start with three props and leave the lineouts to a flanker?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    At times it felt like there were multiple Hansens on the pitch today. He kept on popping up in the centre and even on the left wing. Such wandering must be covered by centres etc. in the event of a turnover?



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    He had an exceptional game, it did feel like three of him on the pitch !! On a watchback he really did feature prominently in so many areas. Cracking game. The one other thing I noticed was a serious contribution from Conan. Was worried when Doris went off but Conan really stepped up, very physical and many strong carries. Delighted for him as the knives have been out a bit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭eclipsechaser



    Why do players who play well but get injured early on get automatically low ratings? I always find it weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Because Ireland created a second opportunity to score (and succeeded) does not mean that a try scoring opportunity was prevented by cynical play. Punishing cynical play by YC should not be a consolation prize.



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    He has improved but today showed how far ahead JGP is. Look think Murray has a role but I worry that if JGP breaks down in the wcup falling back to Murray takes so much from our game. Felt Murray was quite poor today. I suppose the main issue is who is pushing through to offer the same pace and speed and urgency that JGP offers. Casey ? Not sure or do we look at Luke, he has being playing great rugby at Leinster and is much closer to JGP's tempo.

    We are in a great place in so many positions with seamless swapping in and out , 9 worries me and its such a pivotal role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Theoretically a hooker must be present to strike / hook the ball. But in practice crooked put ins are normal & few put ins reach the hooker. Sometimes the law is an ass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,430 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Irrespective of the outcome today, the Luke Pearce conversation needs to make it into the working week in the right offices.

    Somebody could get done out of a rightful victory by that guy, so poor his decision making was, even after video review.

    At the World Cup, he could be the difference between progressing or not for any of the sides, except England and thats not good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,026 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    But everybody knows what Finn Russell. He's a gambler, he takes chances, when they work he's a god, when they go wrong he looks like crap.

    That's what he's been doing his whole career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭tanko


    Anyone who thinks Murrays passing was slow should take a look at his involvement in the build up to Hansens try in the first half.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    People and posters say and type things in the heat of a game. On reflection they probably wouldn't hold those opinions. It doesn't make them dickheads. There's a really passive aggressive tone, maybe even leave out the passive, off your posts.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I suppose the main issue is who is pushing through to offer the same pace and speed and urgency that JGP offers. Casey ? Not sure or do we look at Luke, he has being playing great rugby at Leinster and is much closer to JGP's tempo.

    You don’t think Casey brings pace, speed and urgency (but Luke McGrath does?).

    This is just simply not true. It’s just not. Out of interest, which Munster games have you seen this season to come to that conclusion?

    There are areas where Casey falls down (defence being one) but pace, speed, urgency, tempo etc. very much isn’t one of them.

    Add in quality of pass, which is an area that Casey is significantly ahead of Luke.

    McGrath hasn’t featured once under Farrell. It’s not gonna start happening now with 1 competitive game left before the RWC.



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