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Scotland v Ireland match Thread by. chat GPT.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    This was my take also. Fairly sure the line out had formed and maybe not a bad thing either to allow that area of the game to be sped up.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    There's no way on earth, changed ball or not, that Scotland could take a quick throw with 5 or 6 players marking the lineout. I don't understand how they thought they could.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Lineout was formed. There was 2 players from each team in that channel so the ball is irrelevant. Scotland took a conventional lineout



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It wasn't a properly formed lineout.

    None of the Scots had come back onside, there was no gap, pretty much nothing you need for a lineout was present.

    The referees got this absolutely correct.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Bryce Nutty Thanksgiving


    Was lucky enough to be in Murrayfield yesterday, maddest, most tense game I've ever been at. Didn't think my respect for this group of players could get much higher but here we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Here's the scene as the ball is thrown.

    If we're calling that a properly formed lineout, then Ireland have too many players in the lineout (3 vs 2 Scots), Sheehan is closing the gap and no Irish player in the 5 metre channel.

    If it's a proper lineout, then it's a free kick to Scotland.

    There is simply no way to argue that the try could stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    Or a player like POM who had an unbelievable game getting a 7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    It was quite mad that they thought it was a good idea to take a quick throw so close to their line with multiple Irish players in position to contest. It really deserved for the try to stand just for pure stupidity. But that's Scotland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    What have Scotland done to show they are decent?

    Once again, the fact we stole as many lineouts from them when we had no hooker and every throw went to the front is an embarrassment for them.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Yup agree Casey has good pace and urgency but I would be worried about his all round game. Also agree McGrath unlikely to be involved at this stage.

    Just concerned that if we get that level of plodding delivery from Murray in a big game in the wcup (qtr final etc) it so blunts our attack it could be the difference.

    Suppose all we can do is keep our fingers crossed for JGP being fit at the time as he is so far ahead. And utilise Murray and Casey where their skill sets suit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I wouldn't write off McGrath. He's the closest in ability to DuPont that we have, bar his infuriatingly inconsistent passing. If he finishes the season as the starter for Leinster, he'll absolutely be worth considering.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You've moved the goalposts a bit tho; your original point was that McGrath is "much closer" to JGP than Casey in terms of pace and tempo. I don't think that's the case at all, tbh.

    I also think Casey's kicking has improved significantly over the last 12 months (We've seen loads of brilliant examples of it), but Luke's defending is much better.

    For me, Casey is the closest like-for-like we have with JGP. McGrath is more akin to Murray, imo.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    In all fairness I think Murray has had a good 6 nations. His delivery has been grand.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Two things can happen though

    A) the officials don't notice it and you manage to unexpectedly clear your lines/score a try (as rather famously happened to us!)

    B) the officials do notice it and you simply get a do-over of the lineout anyway.

    Basically no reason not to risk it if it might give you an advantage.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I would very happily write him off. The man can't pass and is unlikely to get much better at it at this stage of his career.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Bryce Nutty Thanksgiving


    He has played very well up to now, but tbh I thought he was fairly poor yesterday. I think the result is in the balance if he plays the 80. JGP made such a massive difference.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I watch most if not all of Munster's games and I would say that Casey is as like for like a replacement for JGP as we have. Luke McGrath is similar and to my mind would have plenty of caps in green but for his passing. His decision making, support running, leadership and in particular his defence are all excellent, but his passing accuracy has never corrected itself.

    Casey is fine defensively but his stature might end up being a limiting factor for him at the top level. JGP isn't all that much bigger but his tackle technique is exceptional, if Casey can pick up on that then the ceiling is going to be high.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    We won the match at a significant cost. We won going away. We were tested in ways nobody could imagine. We were down several players in the 2nd half and won that half without a hooker!

    Depth has improved. Farrell has got this squad to a place that we've probably never been. Imagine if this had happened 2 years ago?

    I don't think Ringrose was right. He fell of tackles that he never misses. Keenan continues to be insanely brilliant. Hanson was superb. VDF is a worldie. Probably the top 2 or 3 players in rugby right now.

    Any kind of win next week will be great! I wouldn't expect any of the injured lads back.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I posted much earlier in the thread that I didn't think Scotland were as good as they'd been made out to be. The wins against Wales and England in context are nothing to overly write home about albeit they were more convincing against Wales than we were.

    They pushed France to the wire in France which you would say was a good performance albeit there are questions over France's form (or there were until the weekend).

    They were unlucky not to beat Aus in November albeit Aus were missing a lot of key players. Similarly they pushed the AB's though again I surmised that the AB's didn't quite get up for the fixture and probably didn't hit top gear.

    In short - they have done more of late than they've done in the past but nothing to suggest that they would beat Ireland at the weekend.

    However, with the series of injuries and the scale of disruption caused to Ireland as a result - it was pretty impressive that despite having a very limited bench for most of the game and no set piece, we totally dominated the second half.

    Scotland aren't great but to not acknowledge Ireland's performance is to either hugely underestimate them or completely fail to comprehend the impact of losing so many players.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    5’5” and 5’9” is a fairly significant difference really. Casey is exceptionally small for and international SH. He’s 2 inches shorter than Stringer. Like Stringer he’s incredibly brave in defence though.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Really huge win yesterday and a really enjoyable one. That sort of win must really build a feeling of momentum within the whole squad.

    We didn’t play well for a lot of the game - our accuracy was a touch off, I thought both starting half backs weren’t at their best for us, and we were guilty a few times of overrunning support lines or forcing passes.

    That said, when the game was in the boiling pot we were the only team who looked like winning it. The authority we played with in that third quarter was an absolute joy to behold.

    Our back three were superb. Keenan just doesn’t make mistakes. He might be the most technically proficient Irish rugby player I can remember. Hansen brings such a spark - and is so obviously a big game player. Lowe is invaluable to us too - he brings so much physicality and presence to our backline. He was excellent again yesterday.

    Outside of that - it was an absolutely stellar performance from both James Ryan and Peter O’Mahony, who might have been my MotM. In big moments he played with a real menace to his game and some of his hits yesterday were huge. That moment near the end where he smashes the Scot out over the touchline was like a perfect metaphor of the game for me.

    Outside of that - I thought Conan was excellent and I’m delighted for him to have delivered like he did yesterday. His finish for the try was superb.

    People who don’t watch much rugby will not appreciate the difficulty of what Cian Healy (and to a lesser extent JvdF) did yesterday but it was truly incredible. I can’t recall it happening in a Tier 1 test match before where a sub prop goes in and scrummages at hooker and we end up dominating their scrum.

    If you’re a Scottish fan or player it’s going to be hard to tell yourself you can beat this Irish team in a neutral venue in the RWC when you couldn’t do it yesterday at home with virtually every conceivable break going your way. They flatter to deceive more than any team in world rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭crossman47


    That may be true but I'm not sure JPG could have withstood the early physicality of Scotland. Horses for courses and Farrell got it spot on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭crossman47


    That is madness. He would have been MOM except Hansen was exceptional. He did everything needed for the full 80.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can see the scale of development within the squad, not just in terms of how we play but in terms of how we handle adversity that only a few years ago a late bus cost us our composure whereas yesterday we managed unheard of levels of disruption and still won by multiple scores.

    It's massively different in a competitive setting with tens of thousands watching on but according to Healy he's scrummed in training from 2 and JVDF throws into the lineout in training also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    McGrath is an excellent rugby player. He has great vision, strong in the tackle, a good kicking game. If he could pass consistently, he'd have been the Irish starter for a good while.

    Sadly that if is a mountain.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One other point - our defensive stand at the end of the first half after the Scots kicked to the corner was a huge moment in terms of momentum swings.

    Keenan’s hit on Hogg totally stunts their momentum, but the power of James Lowe’s hit to smash their hooker into touch was something else. Lowe is as powerful as a back rower out there for us. Porter deserves huge credit too for having made up the ground to be over there and part of that tackle too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    I thought Ireland did really well yesterday. Was watching in a pub in Rome so had no commentary. But it looked like a phenomenal performance. Pearce was giving Scotland as much as he possibly could and add in the injury crisis during the game. Ireland had to dig really deep yesterday to weather a storm. Once they settled after everything that could've gone wrong did go wrong, I think Ireland showed Scotland to be the bang average team that they are. Ireland were inches from a 4try bonus point. I think it will serve them well this week that they have it all to do on Saturday.

    On Farrell, you have to really commend what he has done. He was part of a coaching ticket where the system was the be all and end all. I think it has been well documented at this stage that it wasn't the most player friendly culture or environment. To see him take the lead and completely flip it is unbelievable. There's no way those players under Schmidt could've played and won in that situation yesterday because there was no deviation from the plan allowed. Under Farrell, it seems clear that the players know how to play what's in front of them. I used to work for a manager who used this line regularly "if there's going to be chaos, let it be organised". Farrell referenced the same yesterday. All the players genuinely seem to enjoy the environment he has created and they're thriving.

    The entire pack did an unbelievable job and the back 3 were outstanding. Hugo Keenan is so boringly consistent that I don't think he's getting the recognition he deserves.

    Post edited by mr_edge_to_you on


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    The difference in mental fortitude was obvious on the pitch but also in the coaches comments after the game.

    Farrell on the disruption of the injuries, saying something along the lines of the guys were all smiling, saying bring it on.

    Towensend said, the guys were a little deflated at half time not to be in the lead.

    The Scottish may have improved but it sounds like they are incredibly fragile mentally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭Hippo


    Someone made the observation before that McGrath is an excellent rugby player but not an excellent scrum-half, which sums it up nicely for me.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    One scenario u missed is the officials don't notice it and you concede a try.



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Honestly I think if JGP had started the game would have been over by half time. Farrell will start JGP v England. Murray has an improved the speed of his delivery this six nations but yesterday was a step backwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Murray wasn't great against the Italians either. He threw some pretty poor passes early on yesterday. But the breakdown was a complete mess for the first 50, 55 mins. His defense was massive though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Keenan is the best 15 in the 6 Nations for sure. I do think he missed an opportunity to stop Jones in the Scottish try. Ringrose also let him through but neither will be happy. I read that Henshaw managed 8 tackles in 16 mins, good sign for England who could have Tuilagi in midfield.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He was excellent against Italy?

    Came off the bench and made the try that killed the game off?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    One pass that was a peach was Hansen to Conan for the last try. He half dummied and pulled in VDM (poor read) and then zipped it to Conan in space. Intelligent rugby.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Hansen was immense yesterday.

    Conans finish was fantastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Theres nothing passive aggressive about my comments. I'm blatantly calling out posters for abusing the ref. I would have quoted all of them but multi-quote wasn't working for me. Criticise a decision but ref abuse shouldn't be part of the game. Just look at the **** storm caused by Rassie's antics.

    Heat of the game?? Give me a break. They're not on the pitch, they're from their living rooms. And some of the abuse was post match.

    I know ref abuse is perfectly acceptable to some people but it's a bugbear of mine and I call it out. Maybe it's because I've been a referee in the past (not rugby).

    As for the match yesterday, I thought it was a great performance by Ireland in the face of some trying circumstances. Also thought Scotland screwed up by not taking advantage of Ireland's issues around the lineout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Calling posters dickheads for complaining abut a referee is OTT.

    I thought the referee was only ok. He didn't have a great game and missed a little too much.

    And I am one who really dislikes folks who have a go at sports officials at the drop of a hat.....lot them sitting on their holes pretending they actually have a clue.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Calling a ref corrupt because of a few decisions you disagree with is also OTT. (way more OTT, imo).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Calling posters dickheads for complaining abut a referee is OTT.

    Hang on a second, the post in question said that the referee was "corrupt".

    Not having a bad day, not inexperienced, not overly picky. Corrupt.

    Rassie would have been embarrassed by some of the posting here yesterday. Luke Pearce had a very good game. The absolute worst criticism of him that could reasonably be made is that he should have carded a Scot or two after we scored the tries, big focking deal.

    He kept the game flowing, he was tough on backchat, he didn't resort to the TMO excessively. He did everything he should have.

    Funny how his performance improved when Ireland got their sh1t together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I agree. No need for labeling officials corrupt for errors you believe they are making.



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Agree, thought Pearce was absolutely fine yesterday. The standard of reffing this year has been generally exceptional and considering the pace the game is played at it's even more impressive. I have reffed many games and believe me what these guys do day in day out is remarkable as it's a very tough game to ref.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Are you sure JPG would have coped with the early pressure like Murray did? I'm not. Theres more to the scrum half role than a quick pass.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    Sanctimonious rubbish.

    People watching games, of any code, get very excited in their living rooms.

    Comparing them with Rassie Erasmus, who criticises and disects the ref performance in cold blood?!! Not to mention his status in the game compared to posters on here. Yeah right.

    A few decisions went against us yesterday but I had no problem with the ref. You not getting a warning for labelling anyone who criticises a ref a dickhead is very worrying. That sort of name calling is arrogant, childish and shouldn't be allowed on a forum, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭crisco10


    My thoughts on the game:

    Halftime came just in time for us (even down to the fact we didn't have to take the lineout after bundling the Scottish attack into touch). With the front row disruption, it gave us 15 mins to work through the "what now" - JVDF throwing, Healy could go on at 2 etc etc. I'm also not entirely sure, but that also felt like Scotland's last visit to the Irish 22 of the match.

    Murray didn't look great, but its hard when the ball is a pisspoor and disrupted. JGP did bring a change, but Scotland were clearly off the first half intensity by then.

    JVDF did unreal at lineout time, but for the all the credit he is getting, I though POM did amazing as a receiver for a lot of them. He was always going to be tightly marked at the front, and his spring, timing and aggression to grab the ball were brilliant and helped JVDF "hit his man".

    I was a bit deflated at the final whistle, partly because of Ringrose's injury, and we missed 3 chances for BP. But this morning I'm much more content. So many lessons learned yesterday and characters built.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I don't disagree with any of that; but he has 4 starts in his Ireland career. Nearly a third of his Ireland minutes are made up from RWC warm-up games.

    Conversely, DuPont could easily go down as one of the all-time greats.

    Any comparisons, even those acknowledging his poor passing, are pretty fanciful, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    2007 Blues v Western Force in Super Rugby - Kevin Mealamu scores from a quick throw in from Ali Williams (illegally as it was a different ball handed to Williams by a ballboy).

    Ref was Jonathan Kaplan

    2011 Wales v Ireland in 6N - Mike Philips scores from a quick throw in from Matthew Rees in exactly the same circumstances.

    Ref was Jonathan Kaplan

    You'd wonder sometimes ..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭TRC10


    We demolished a very good Scottish team in their own backyard with a third of our team injured and no hooker on the pitch.

    Yet all some people want to do is moan about the ref (who was grand). You couldn't make it up.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. We need a sperate thread for moaning about refs.



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