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Gary Lineker, BBC and Freedom of Speech - **Read OP**

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I think were done here given that were not talking about either Lineker, his tweet or the BBC and instead going down an immigration rabbit hole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Doc07


    I’m assuming you are taking the mick but the sad thing is my near 80yo mother believes crap like that when it lands on her ‘Christian’ WhatsApp groups



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    the legislation is fine, they just need to pay for the resources to enforce it.

    a cost that would be a fraction of the rwanda crap and throwing money at france, who are going to quite rightly just take the money and laugh all the way to the bank because why should they help a country who's government have been insulting and abusive of the french.

    turning down an assylum claim because the country you came from isn't at war is illegal undr international law, so is not going to happen.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Yup, I'm done here now. I'll leave the anti-immigration lot to argue amongst themselves. Life is too short.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    in countries not ran by brutal dictatorships change can come from within.

    it's amazing how someone can be so factually incorrect on everything they write.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    The notion that countries have obligations due to the conventions they sign up to tends to shock quite a few too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road




    there is effectively no legal migration process to get to britain now.

    even if the refugee system is being used to bypass legal processes if they existed still for britain that is what a properly funded system with trained staff would be able to determine and decide appropriately on how to deal with that issue and the individuals involved.

    the cost to process migrants is tiny when the system is operated properly and funded appropriately.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://youtu.be/Csuitx0HUzk

    This is an actual Holocaust survivor making the argument today in favour of lineker's comments

    She even made the point that Jewish politicians voted for some nazi policies at the start.

    Listen to the interview



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Delighted that Gary will be back on Match Of The Day this weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    He basically did as he basically tweeted what he did before minus the German bit



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    So your saying anyone who does nor arrive in dinghies are not illegal immigrant love to see where it says that



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,730 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Could you please rephrase that? Because I'm not sure what point you're making.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,230 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's more the Conservative Govt. and its Tory stooge within the organisation that look like fools, rather than the beeb as a whole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Kevrano


    It's the Tory government preparing for the next general election. What Lineker actually said is pretty harmless:the language being used by the government is similar to that used by the German government in the 1930s. This is easily proved by a little research. The Tory fanbase have twisted this into "anyone who voted Leave is a Nazi..."



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    The big difference between the holocaust and the migrant situation in the UK. Is the Germans discriminated against killed their own citizens.The UK is not doing anything like that.

    Do you believe a country must accept anyone who wishes to reside in said country?

    Are Canada, Australia, Japan,China etc also similar to Nazi's because they have quite strict rules regarding inward migration?

    Are the Tunisian Government also like Nazi's because the Tunisian President has called for a halt to sub saharan immigration to Tunisia?

    I'm no fan of the Tories or Braverman and some of the language she uses at times but comparing Britain to Nazi germany is just nonsense.

    Post edited by Jack Daw on


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Don't be ridiculous.

    1. Someone who lived through the holocaust, had it be one of the most defining events of their life is going to be much more knowledgable of the historical context surrounding the emergence of the Holocaust. Comparing a holocaust survivor to 'anyone who has read a history book' is a ridiculous thing to say

    2. The reference is to rhetoric in the lead up to the holocaust. At the beginning, Jews were dehumanised and deported. Later on they were murdered. The holocaust would not have happened without the conditions being fostered through years of rhetoric and propaganda and increasingly harsh measures



  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    The first and most important obligation any government has, is look after it's own native people.

    Once you've adequately squared that away... then you try to help people from other parts of the world in need.

    If mass uncontrolled immigration is destroying various aspects of the daily lives of your population, you are failing in your basic remit as a government. We can clearly see this here on our own Island. The UK government are responding to the needs of their native people, by trying to put greater controls on immigration.

    I'm sure we'll get similar tweets from rich pampered liberals in this country too, if we ever elect a government tasked with a similar remit. It's an unfortunate byproduct of the type of society we've built in the west. People call it freedom of speech, which I guess it is... but really it's freedom to empty the contents of your brain on the floor and to then stand back and admire the bloody mess you've made! It's not intelligent discourse... it's twatter garbage. Fuel for the fodder in many people's minds!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Tj

    Post edited by Jack Daw on


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,026 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They would have said similar about the first NSDAP Government in Weimar Germany in 1933. You literally would have been committed if you foretold then how that would go by 1945.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    SA created in 1921, SS created in 1925, Hitler Youth created in 1926, Gestapo created in 1933

    There were a lot of signs of where the Nazi's were going with their ideology prior to the holocaust. Nothing even close to resembling the Tory party in the UK.The hysterical nonsense from The likes of Gary Lineker really understates how evil the Nazi's were.The Tory's are bad but there bad like politicians being bad , they're not pure evil.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,775 ✭✭✭buried


    But how is that in any way related to what is going on now? The Jewish people in 1930's Germany were German people. They had lived in Europe for generations. They had contributed to European society. What is happening now, in 2023, is that we in western Europe are literally being brainwashed into importing an UNLIMITED number of migrants from thousands of miles away into our community, communities that are two feathers away from absolute total collapse, both economically and societally.

    Think about that, an UNLIMITED number. See that's the problem that the likes of you and Lineker refuse to acknowledge, no Island nation can import an "unlimited" number. It won't work. And the irony is, the more the likes of Lineker tries to convince himself or anybody else that it actually will work, the more they will end up midwifing a situation that will make the 1930's in Germany look like an episode of Bosco.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Ya sorry. You implied only illegal were those entering by dinghies. So I was asking if they get in another way they are not illegal



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,730 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I think there's more than one way to enter illegally, previously being smuggled in on trucks was used a lot but its much harder now, particularly in light of that tragedy a few years ago where all those people died.

    Dinghies are supposedly the de facto means of entering the UK illegally in this day and age. It's the most likely means people would use.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Holocaust was completely unplanned. As late as early 1941, the Nazis were still thinking of merely deporting all Jews out of the country - it hadn't even occurred to them to murder them at this point.

    And nobody is suggesting that the UK is planning to open extermination camps and gas chambers. Lineker was merely talking about the similar language used by the two regimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭supermans ghost


    Kudos on a few excellent and concise posts, I am in agreement with your views on this complex issue, you are the voice of reason in this discussion. (And that’s coming from a City fan) It is so easy for the likes of the Gary Linekar’s of the world, financially secure estimated worth £30m, earning (I use that word advisedly) £1.35m for a no pressure job, who live in their own bubble, to sit on the fence and lecture the rest of us on all the ills of the world. The reality is that politicians are charged with addressing such complex issues of how to deal with illegal immigration and at least the Tory’s are presenting solutions. It’s interesting that the Labour Party do not seem to have any solution to offer, beyond the open borders policy beloved of their far left wing. It’s interesting to note that poll after poll show that the majority of Britons favour the government of the day taking a hard stance on this issue ie control the borders. Australia had a similar problem 10 years ago and Tony Abbots government addressed it successfully, and a subsequent left leaning government kept the same policy in place.

    Finally none of this means anything to certain posters on this site, IMO they are endoctrinated and no matter what kind of facts you present they will bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the realities of the situation, case in point being your pointing out to them that the majority of illegal immigrants arriving on boats to the UK in 2022 were from Albania.

    The cynic in me, says he knew exactly that this tweet would cause all of this hullabaloo, and the issue of his type of employment with the BBC ie directly employed or contractor would be discussed, he is currently in a dispute with HMRC who are pursuing him for £4.9m as an employee of the BBC. Job done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,007 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He sent the tweet to inform the tax authorities he was a contractor?

    Turkey Tinfoil.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,365 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Bonus point, he's using a couple a refugees living in his house as a tax deduction.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,141 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    This is not another immigration thread. It is about the Lineker/BBC

    If anyone does want to continue down the route of discussing refugees/immigration you can expect threadbans



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  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Gary Lineker didn't say anything wrong ... in fact he was telling the truth ... the BBC acted like some Middle Eastern regime in its silencing of criticism of a government that has clearly failed the UK people nearly as much as the Islamic Republic has failed the Iranian people or Putin's regime has failed the Russian people .... needless to say GL did not say anything that was far right ... the opposite in fact ... and yet got the treatment normally handed out (deservedly) to the far right ... the BBC showed in their attitude that you dare not criticise the current unpopular Tory govt ...



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