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The Expanse (Amazon) [** Spoilers **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    The most a Belter can grow up in is about 0.3g* in the good parts of Ceres usually it would be a lot less.

    *also around the gravity on Mars



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I haven't actually rewatched the series yet so will take your word for it; my memories of season 1 were positive enough, even if some aspects like the chaos on Eros felt smaller scale than the book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,295 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Oh it wasnt a dig at the show. It done well with the budget and was a lot better than the usual sci-fi channel stuff.

    Just on height Cara Gee is 5'5. Would you be brave enough to tell Drummer she ain't a real belter 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    So would would people born on Mars look more like Belters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I had thought that the deformation of some Belters was based on living and working conditions of their parents or when they were children.

    Although it would have been cool to see Belters as they should be, I can understand how it wasn’t feasible. However, it was a strange decision to have the deformed Belters at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    there was gravity Drugs that people living in low gravity were meant to get as kids growing up and as adults.

    rich people got good drugs, poor people might have gotten cheep drugs, generic versions of the drugs or none at all.

    some people would grow up in more gravity than others Mars = 0.375 that of Earth, some stations and asteroids would have more or less depending on the spin

    and like people on the international space station work out to build/keep muscle mass, the martian marines trained to fight in 1G

    also Belters trained and used drugs when they were moving to the new planets opened up by the gate, but about 20-30% of the could still not survive on the new planets and had to go back to space or died

    all of that would affect the height of people in the belt, so very poor people would be tall, thin and week but the rich might not. so it was a clear way for class to be seen who had been poor growing up and who was rich or from earth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    They'd look more like the shorter Belters than they would Earthers. The casting made some of the dialogue a bit weird like when the Marines in Bobbie's unit were teasing the one born on Earth about his wrong bones despite some of them being shorter than him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    While we're on gravity related developmental issues are Lunarians ever brought up in the books? They would be as affected by low gravity issues as most of the Belters



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    My god that was the angriest performance in a TV drama.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,295 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think they are Well Wallas on assignment. Not sure if generations live and die there like Mars and the Belt



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    It has a university too so it must have some permanent population



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    is all that fiction or is this what science believes it would be like for people born elsewhere in the Solar System?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    Yeah. Lower g for taller and weaker, higher g for shorter and stronger. It's possible we might find out the exact effects in our lifetime.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And is why Dr Who's Sontarans are tiny potato people; high gravity kept them short, muscular dwarves. One of the few times the show's science was on point lol 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,295 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Also why Dwarfs from the likes of Lord of the Rings are short IIRC. Closer to the core.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Apologies for bumping the thread & people mistaking it for news on a revival: but a "gameplay" trailer of the Drummer focused video-game came out.

    Seeing Cara Gee talk like a normal human-being, and not a constant roiling cauldron of rage, was quite jarring lol 😂




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    It looks good but I wish Telltale would stop releasing their games in parts so they can branch out properly instead of having to get every branch roughly to the same place by the end of each chapter.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Agreed, and it just betrays a sense that these game developers are wannabe film directors or TV producers; as you say, the episodic format curtails the freedoms of the media, it doesn't enable it. I suppose though in this case, as you're "playing" Drummer there is an end-point you have to get to - so the choices will doubtless be twice as illusory.

    At least that Star Trek game from Telltale features a whole set of new characters, so maybe it'll have a greater, more expanding storyline.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    Aside from the fact Drummer has to survive there's still scope for radically different branches if it wasn't episodic. Just for example, if it was a full game you could decide Drummer allies with Black Sky and part of the game has you raiding Martians around Callisto or you could go with Golden Bough and raid Earthers near Tethys, both branches having unique chatacters and set pieces. But since it's episodic you won't get that much of a choice. It might make the full game version a little shorter overall bu would really increase the replay value.

    There was a PSOne star fighter sim-ish game, it might have been Colony Wars, that did something like that with how you went about the previous mission determined what mission you got next that lead to multiple endings ranging from a major victory or a crushing defeat for your side.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    Wing commander?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Relikk


    Definitely sounds more like Colony Wars. Great game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Telltale made a Batman game which was essentially a graphic novel where you got to make a few dialogue choices. All of the combat moves were choreographed so you get on screen instructions for the required button combination and then you observe the action. I imagine that the Expanse game will follow the same principle.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    I know how Telltale games work, and that's the problem. It s all about making choices but the choices don't really matter because each episode has to start in the same place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I can’t Google this as it will mean spoilers.

    I’m a few episodes into season 5 - Naomi has been kidnapped by her son and the Meier has struck Earth.

    Why did Naomi abandon Philip? I can remember her telling Holden that she split from Marco because she didn’t agree with his actions and (I think) she knew he would kill her.

    And why did she only start searching for Philip at the end of season 4?

    Also, where has Marco been prior to his appearance on the series? Philip looks to be at least 20. Has he been just wandering the Belt as a pirate?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    There are explanations coming up but if you can't wait here's answers to your specific question without spoiling anything else

    Marko used Naomi to overload the drive of a civilian transport docked on the moon, one of the biggest acts of terrorism in recent memory at the time of the series and she realised what kind of person he was and he's a powerful Belter/OPA faction leader so there wasn't much she could do to go against him.

    She didn't know where Filip was, she needed Fred Johnson's, or any other equally connected guy's, help to find him.

    Filip is only a mid-teenager at this time, I think. Marko's name or the Inaros Faction do pop up now and again in the series before he shows up, you'll notice it on a rewatch. Yeah, piracy, getting contacts in the Martian Navy, and trying not to get caught in a gravity well due to the size of his ego is what he's been up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I thought it had talked about fully in previous seasons and that I had just forgot it but as they are going to get into it later then I can wait.

    Thank you. ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Does Delgado ever get to finish that joke about the guys who go into a bar?

    It has creeped into mind and I keep trying to think what the punchline could be :P

    Post edited by Spon Farmer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I also wanted that to be finished at the time 🙂



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    I started re-watching Season 4. Maybe my favourite.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The one set on the planet? That's interesting 'cos by and large I think it's a lot of people's least favourite season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    Yeah, I skipped that last rewatch. There's nothing wrong with it really but I prefer the space stuff



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I dunno, I like the planet stuff. And it's very Amos heavy. Always good. Lots of Miller as well. It just brings it down to the basics about survival.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I finished season 5 earlier.

    Alex’s death was a big surprise but the aftermath was very - the crew didn’t react like they had lost one of the family and just carried on.

    I just googled it looking for why the death was so badly handled and saw that Cas Anvar was fired due to accusations made against him.

    At what point in production were the accusations made? We’re just by coincidence working on the season finale or did they come to an agreement to keep working despite the fact he would be fired.

    That seems odd. And why was no mourning for Alex?

    As to the show itself, still tremendous as always.

    I loved the space battle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,934 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    From memory it basically occurred post filming and had to be edited in post production which is why it appears so abrupt (I think they re-did a bit of the end scene with Avasarala as well via edits/quick cuts as well), it does get a little more reflection later.

    TBH, they handled it about as well as they could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    I don't think anything ever came of those accusations.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    IIRC the season was finished when the accusations came in, with scenes edited and reshoots done to fashion together a vaguely coherent death for Alex without coming across completely hacked together.

    And TBH, had the show gone on (sigh), nothing would have been lost in the long run from the character being written out. IMO Alex always had the weakest personal stories in the books and the 3 subsequent ones after book/season 6 never managed to do anything with him. Indeed, Draper basically stole his milk and became more prominent as Alex dropped off.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I remember the biggest groan I ever gave reading the books was when they cut away from an escalating chapter to give an update on how Alex's son was getting on. It was handled well in the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    By “handled badly” I didn’t mean the reshoots, editing, etc.

    I meant in the script. No one is seen mourning Alex barely talk about him.the went



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    There doesn't seem to be any news articles about him since the accusations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,934 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That's the point, there was no scripts, it was handled by last minute edits, cuts and a bit of voice over.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The story probably became "irrelevant" the moment the show got cancelled (spit). Were Cas Anvar more famous the incidents might have had more staying power within publications. It's not even clear what the outcome of the internal investigation was; though IIRC there were as many as 30 accusations against him? That's quite the volume of complaints.

    I saw Dominque Tipper in a small role in a movie a few years back (The Girl with All the Gifts), ditto Frankie Adams but beyond that nobody on the Rocinante crew seems to have had much of an international acting career outside The Expanse. Thomas Jane and Shohreh Aghdashloo would pop up a fair bit of course, having solid character-actor careers previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Evade


    It's just a bit weird that there was zero reporting after the initial run.

    I've seen Amos in a few things over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    There should have a small re-write where the crew is shown to be upset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    So it cancelled with season 5 but given a short season 6 to being the suitors to close?

    I know of only one other person besides myself who has even seen any Amazon series - and he doesn’t even have a subscription but watches it on a “dodgy box. If I mention any or the service itself most people haven’t heard of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    From memory there is a scene where it's discussed and referenced. It was set up to have happened a bit in the past, and I thought they done a decent job all things considered.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Remember as well that season 5 was released in the midst of COVID and lockdowns (filming for that series wrapped in February 2020), so one would imagine they had a lot more limited scope for substantial reshoots than they might have had otherwise.

    The execution was undeniably awkward and thrown together, but it was imperfect circumstances due to a mix of pandemic restrictions, the allegations emerging post filming etc...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I have three episodes left to watch and I can’t see how they can properly wrap up the whole story along with the side story of the little girl on the alien world on the other side of the Rings.

    I have a story question and a behind the scenes question.

    If the answer to this has spoilers then please don’t answer.

    Are the group on the alien planet a part of the faction of Martians that betrayed Mars and allied with Marco Anarus?

    I was certain they are until the funeral wake when the admiral told the little girl that the family was supposed to be going to Paris with their research data - and I don’t see how that is possible if they are Martians.

    I knew Strait has been an executive producer for a few seasons only in episode 6 of the final season did I notice Aghdashloo, Tipper and Chatham are producers.

    As I understand it executive producers are at the top of the ladder with funding and a say in casting and creative decisions while producers oversee the day to day running of the project such as logistics, etc

    Am I wrong about this? Producer seems like a full time job and as is the acting so I can’t see how they’d do both:



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