Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

It also it a direct challenge to the courts. Are they really happy to let this man basically make a mockery of the courts. we have people jailed for not paying their TV licence but this guy is allowed to continue to ignore the court, and I assume not pay the fines and it seems the courts are powerless to do anything about it.

At this stage I care less about the initial issue that caused this and am looking at whether the state will actually do anything (or can do anything) to show it has the power and ability to deal with those that refuse to accept it.

Why should anyone listen to anything a court has to say if there are no consequences? I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of this all fines all wiped and a donation to the poor box or similar is accepted.

I really wish people would stop posting this nonsense. it is like saying that Burke was sacked for refusing to address a pupil by their preferred pronoun.

He was discharged previously because the judge decided that since school was on winter break there wasn't a risk that he would show up at the school. And because he wasn't comfortable with Burke being supported by the state in prison while also drawing a state paid salary since at the time he was suspended on full pay. Not because it wasn't working. When he started showing up again after the break the school requested that he not be returned to jail so that they could hold their disciplinary hearing.

At this point they've held the hearing and sacked him. But the judge has imposed the daily fine instead of jail for the time being. He has also stated that he is reluctant to return Burke to prison as he seemed to be getting something he wanted out of being there. What the judge was referring to (publicity?) I'm not sure. But he has also not ruled out a return to prison for Burke. My guess is that he'll increase the fine at least once before returning him to jail. But that's just a guess.

and the public perception is wrong. Not helped by people continuing to post information even when they know it is wrong. anybody with any interest in the truth needs to call it out when it happens.

Its a very common surname in Mayo and apart from the CV edit you mention, I can imagine interviews of Burkes from now on, where the first question will always be:

"Sooo...any relation?"

And managers telling HR - "Weed out all the CVs from Burkes, I don't care if they are related or not".

The judges hands are tied to a certain extent as to what they can do. The only option really is fines or jail. Neither have worked. So either enforcement of some sort or jail again. I’m guessing jail. The judges are not going to let him make a mockery of them and our courts. If someone is so unwilling to comply then they will be sent to jail until they do. He will be forgotten just like he was on his last stint in Mountjoy. He would still be there only the school couldn’t continue their case until he was released and he was still on paid suspension. That has now been dealt with and probably would have been ruled on already only he was late for court. Another fingers up to the court!

Yes, things happen and people are late but he could have got out of the car and ran in while daddy parked and not waited for his whole entourage to stroll in at their own convenience. He could have phoned the court to alert them to his delay and they would have risen for a time or called another case if there was one. He just didn’t have the respect yet the court gave him the respect to not hear from the school in his absence. That won’t continue. They need to set a precedent so they don’t have everyone thinking they can behave that way and get away with it. It just can’t and won’t be tolerated.

So the State and Courts should "team up" to deal with a very difficult citizen?

Who oversees this process? When do they separate again? What checks and balances do you propose?

Can you see any problem with such an idea if you put your dislike for this citizen/family off to the side.

People should cherish the right to protest, to say no, to get representation, to be heard even and especially if you disagree with everything Burke says and stands for.

Semantics. The fine was imposed for not paying the licence, and a jail term was imposed for not paying the fine which only existed because of the persons' failure to pay the tv licence. So most people will see that as being jailed for failure to pay the tv licence as it would be highly unusual for a person to refuse to pay the tv licence but accept the fine and pay it.

The issue is that Burke doesn't seem to have consequences. He refuses to abide by the court order, gets jailed and then let out. He then continues to defy the court and is not put back in jail. If only the person not paying the TV licence was treated the same.

Seems the courts are operating on the basis that they only have power if you accept their power, once you don't they are kind of useless.

And that is the issue facing the courts now. They need to find a way to deal with this so that people don't have the perception that simply ignoring them is an option.

It isn't nonsense though. People do get jailed as a result of not paying their tv licence. You might be technically correct in that it is the failure to pay the fine they are jailed for, but reality is their refusal to pay the fine led to that. Without the TV licence they would not be in jail.

You can argue semantics all you want. In this case, why isn't Burke in jail for failing to abide by the court order or pay the fine?

THe point being that he seems to be being treated differently

Have you seen it reported in the media using the term non-binary? I have seen transgender used, lots of times, which was my point.

Another one who is too snappy for his own good. Your last post really doesn't help your cause either. The rule is don't be a dick, right?