"Green" policies are destroying this country

That doesn't address my point at all. They are not decoupled and there's no plan to do this. The majority of that press release is fluff but to fully understand the reason behind the refusal to decouple is here

"These solutions will also provide consumers with direct access to the benefits of affordable electricity supply, while ensuring financial resources and predictability to facilitate the deployment of renewable and low carbon energy that will decrease the role of gas in setting the power price."

So there you have it, they need to keep costs high to continue to fund all this "cheap" renewable electricity.

Is the poster that dumps all the Green Party stuff in this thread still going to do it now that they would appear to be "moving on" from their current position, or is this a hobby/obsession for them?

He's not that Green Party spokesman. Whatever you say about the Green Party, they're very good at pushing spin and turning those wavering to their point of view, whereas the obsessive here seems to go out of his way to alienate people, thereby turning people against the green agenda and the cycling agenda. The only option is to ignore.

Actually just to stop your endless cycle of questions and sidestepping here’s what you posted.

Point 3 after the question, seventh line down is where your argument falls apart.

The bot operator got careless again, must have been a traumatic day in the Green party.

If you follow the link you have to view the source HTML

Do you believe the statement made in the article you posted, regarding renewables leading to cheaper electricity prices is correct dacor?

I look forward to your answer.

What storage are we talking about here? Nothing on the market today is capable of providing the power required to back up wind for prolonged spells with no wind blowing.

Demand response is an interesting one. A fancy term for shutting off customers. Sure, they've started with larger customers already with backup generation but how long until it's rolling shutdowns like South Africa for the general population?

And neither have led to this cheap electricity nirvana we've been promised for years.

Once again the retrofitting supports are focused on those greenies with plenty of money in leafy south Dublin or those on social welfare. The working middle income family with most outgoings and who get the least from the state and least able to afford this, get a firm two fingers from the greens. Sounds about right.

I just don't see how we get to the targets set out in the new EU proposal without either massive government or private debt. Expecting families to shell out 70k plus for a deep retrofit, even with these mythical zero interest loans isn't going to happen. I'm going to make a prediction here that a new "tax" will be placed on homes that don't meet the minimum requirements. They'll look to financially penalize people for not having a spare 70k lying around to spend on retrofitting. As the old Green mantra says "This is the way".

Very well said, i was going to type something similar but you've summed it up perfectly.

70k deep retrofits, don't make me laugh, I couldn't even afford a 1/10th of that on a soft retrofit!

Ecb raising rates again, energy bills doubled in a year, supposed to be adding more to pension year on year, price of everything going through the roof. Let me dip into my back pocket for 70k for something that makes little financial sense. I'll get a lot of gas bills for 70k and that will be spread over the next 30- 40 odd years.

Oh and lets not forget, I'm supposed to 'upgrade' to an EV which will be 50k plus and not guaranteed to last beyond 5 years. The whole thing is a cod.

A friend had to cut his tree's down, you know the ones that are a living carbon reducing machine, because his new neighbours in their a2 house complained their solar panels were being blocked.

As I said the whole thing is a hypocritical cod, being driven by well off people who are buying into the nonsense.

The things that could go wrong, have gone wrong. They set up only 12 OSS outfits for the entire country and the price gouging is already off the charts with the quality of work being suspect at best.

It was set up to fail for customers make money for a small cohort. This is the way.

Perfectly put. I'm waiting for someone to come along to inform you that a deep retrofit is not necessary straight away, you can start small and find the remaining funds another time😁. The whole thing is a mess. Price gouging rife. The rich will do it no problems and the permanently unemployed will get it for free. And those of us who can't afford it will be punished for not going into debt to fulfill the green dream

Totally unrelated. Pyrite was aa **** show from chancers who fecked off and left people in crumbling houses with no possibility for redress. Government must step in here. i'd be more in favour of funding that via the tax base than say propping up the remnants of Quinn, or insurance levies on all from PMPA/Setanta, etc.

Retrofitting is put forward as optional, with some incentives that don't make it worthwhile, all the while it seems that ground is being set to have it mandatory (EU legislation you previously linked). Pyrite isn't optional.