Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

Orientation, I think. To me there's 2 main genders from a biological standpoint, male/man and female/woman, with some outlying medical exceptions. What that person then decides what they want to be is of no concern, but imo I think it's dangerous to tell a man that they can be a woman if they want to be, instead of encouraging them to be a proud trans woman. To me, a man can never be a woman and telling/encouraging them to believe this is not a good thing.

But I don't think anyone would have an issue with a man calling themselves a proud trans woman. It's the eroding of male/man and female/woman is the biggest issue for a lot of people I think. Add to it, no problem. Be proud of you, whoever that you is. Just like I know I can never be a proud 6'2" and no amount of positive language, encouragement or changing of laws will change that. And that's the issue I have with it. I don't think it's overall, in the long run, healthy to encourage this kind of change.

I'm sure some do. But no, in general I believe people are who they are regardless of the body/gender they are born with. I just don't think we should be encouraging people to go as far as surgery to look like what they... I'm trying not to make it sound like it's a choice, this is hard... like they "should" be? I'm using wrong words here. Basically, all that won't fix the root issue, being born x way. And especially in a modern society where money rules, so people will do and say whatever it takes to get money/paid.

To me, it's a hugely complex issue well outside of my own understanding, but I'm just giving my 2 cents. I think we should be teaching acceptance of who you are/what you look like, rather than encouraging changing to fit, and I think that's what most people do, change to fit, instead of being just you. Albeit, fine line between needing to do that to be just you, vs doing it because you think it will make the root issue go away. Hugely complex. I just don't think changing to fit is good.

I apply that to everyone even outside of identity stuff. Don't follow soccer just cuz everyone else does. Don't go drinking just because it's what most people do. Do what makes you happy, and in order to do that you need to understand that not everyone will agree (usually, most won't anyway if it's so different to the "norm"), but at the end of the day it's up to you to not let words hurt as much as they do. Took me over 30 years to figure this out mind!

Society has a concept of what constitutes "normal", but all of us have thoughts and feelings we have learnt to keep to ourselves to outwardly conform to this constructed ideal of "normality".

The problem arises if people are actively encouraged to rebel against this, and start to believe they are someone they're not.

There will always be individuals, those that are on the fringes and outside of what is considered to be normal, but they should be allowed to reach that point themselves. That is the crux of the so-called "anti-woke" ideology for me. I don't want people to be like me, I want them to be themselves.

I'm not prejudiced, I don't have any "isms", but I don't want to see impressionable people jumping on bandwagons either.

This must be peak woke

The Oxfam ls language inclusivity guide.

Oxfam apologies for it being written in English and tells people to avoid words like "people".

Who doesn't love a good NGO when they can deliver this sort of humour.

What a relief!

The relief being someone posting something that may avert the thread from it's inevitable dumb closure.

For a little while at least.

You're right, it was early.

Time to revive Esperanto.

Ok, might have been a bit harsh, but there is a tone of cynicism in that you can accuse people of being forced to rebel if you don't like who they are.

So how do you allow people to get to the point where they are by themselves? if a ten (or a fifteen) year old kid wants to transition, are they being themselves or are they being forced to rebel? How do you tell the difference?

I don't accept the 'foeced to rebel' thing because it sounds like an excuse to deny people who they want to be while pretending you do want them to be themselves. It's conditional - and if you truly want people to be themselves, then you can't attach conditions.

Can you please be sure to use another word rather than bollocks, which is clearly sexist.

How about using the word, "crap" which as far as I know, every human being/person does produce

Only kidding. 😀

I know - but that doesn't stop me from using transgenderism as an example. But my point is relevant generally speaking: if people want to attach conditions or obstacles to people becoming who they truly are, then there is part of them that is scared (or uncomfortable with) who that person really might be.

Re - your example - there may well be a few doing it for attention, but there are a few doing because it's who they are; hence my earlier question: how do you tell the difference? And why should the ones who are doing it because it genuinely IS who they are be greeted with 'oh, they're just rebels doing it because they're forced to'?

At which point we come back to my earlier point: are you SURE you want them to be who they truly are? (Not you personally)

Well that's kind of obvious, but doesn't really answer the question.

I mean, it's a journey - sure - but then does any of us truly know who we are? My objection is to people who say 'that's NOT who you are!" or "you're only doing that to be popular/rebel/because you're forced to!" because, without any direct knowloege - they are acting on their own fears and phobias.

I'd be willing to wager that the writer of that is a monoglot english speaker too.

I can't help but feel that the various NGOs are engaged in an arms race, where they're trying to one-up each other in seeing who can lower the bar of "offence" so low that just about any phrase or word can be construed as offensive.

For all the intersectional feminists out there, both female and male, I'd love to hear your queer theory on why it is OK for Barbie Kardashian to be in Limerick women's prison. Was Barbie born in the 'wrong body'?

Not your intended demographic but the answer is that we build a prison just for her. The Germans did it for Rudolf Hess, so no reason it can't be done.

Very simple rule on this one: if you haven't expressed a gender dismophia before committing the crime, you go to the prison of your biological sex.

You're more familiar intersectionalist feminists and woke than I am, so you'll probably see the problems there quicker than I will.

Apparently in Wales you won't be able to let your property if you don't complete some bs anti racism training ....