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Dairy Calves 2024

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭straight


    I'm a dairy farmer. I don't rent land and I have no interest in renting it. Also I have no interest in what others are paying. I rear my own heifers and have no interest in what other guys are paying to rear theirs.

    I'm not that bothered about how much "profit" per acre I make myself not to mind caring what someone else makes. I'm farming for farmings sake, not for money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Have you dealt with him before. Often wonder why these lads travel so far.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    I sell alot at home too at most 20 % of herefords go to mart.fr bills go export.but last year i found there was alot of messing going on.buying them and not taking them and slow paying.i can honestly say no fella has left this yard over price but some fellas i dont want to deal with.as for dealers personally i cant see what benifit they are to the system



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    You can not see the benefit of dealers but marts can not function without them.Last week when the boats stoped ,after the few beef farmers had bought their few sucks it was left to the dealers to divide out the remainder of the calves.Like the dairy farmers that got 5 and 10 euro for fr bulls were dissapointed ,It was still better then the alternative of having to bring them home to over crowded sheds



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    In my view once a dealer handles an animal there is no chance of any one else making a decent return out of that animal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭148multi


    Probably 300, was talking to a dairy farmer in mayo a while back ,half to fr, half to aa, he said that he will not make the same mistake again, all to aa, they were snapping them up at 350 a head, this was before the glut.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭148multi


    Well my perspective is this, I had a hoofpairer in, told him to go easy on one cow and that her weanling made €1,150. He laughed at this telling me of a previous dairy client who told him to go easy on a cow that she milked over €7,000.

    Now I'm not saying everything else is on a level playing field.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    There's a fair difference between what you get for a January calf and a second half of February calf. Also from looking online, calves from counties along the west coast are a different shape calf altogether. Turned on abbeyfeale there during the lunch and twould depress you!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    He takes all my calves with years. I've movement certs done for most counties in the midlands and northwest at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Hmmm at 60c average she did 11500 litres last year, it's possible but I'd take some of that with a pinch of salt too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    2550 gallons in old money. Cows would that level of production would have low solids so hardly 60c/ L average. Still if she did 6.5-7k euro shows the difference.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Ye as I say you'd want to be taking some of these statements with a pinch of salt,a small percentage of cows may have done those figures but the average cow didn't gross 7k last year, 3.5 - 4k yes and it was the best year in my lifetime in dairying and some lads could be set up nice and comfy for life from it, seems though a lot in that situation are doubling down and looking for more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    What did the 7k euro of milk cost and over how long ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭148multi


    Not trying to compare, but the majority of weanlings are not making €1150, just as the majority of dairy cow aren't clearing €7,000.

    Don't think I begrudge any dairy farmers that's able to do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,813 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Out of interest, how much meal would the typical dairy beef calf consume before it hits the grass as a yearling in the second year?

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭straight


    Totally irrelevant again. I had a man here one day and he was after selling a foal for 20k. So what like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭1848


    Say 400 kg - €200 on an animal being sold as a yearling, bit less if retained on farm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Ah I know not saying you are begrudging, but there is massive resentment from other farming sectors towards the dairy farmer..I get it everyday at my off farm job from other part time farmers there and it's tiresome..I can't say a word about the cost of anything be it fertilizer, diesel, food, tractors, even a bloody pint without the fact I have a few dairy cows at home been thrown in my face.

    These guys genuinely have no idea of actually costs or profit in milk, but are driven mad by seeing big well established dairy farms around here pushing on. Therefore anyone milking is next best thing to a millionaire. I've said it here before, I know 3 people now in my close circle of friends and family earning over 100k salaries in there job, but nobody says a word to them.

    Anyway sorry for the ranting and raving, as straight has said its all irrelevant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭Grueller


    I am like yourself pinsnbushings, a part time dairy farmer and part time off farm employment. If I drive on any bit I hear from the farming circle that, sure hasn't he a good off farm job and then the colleagues in the day Job hit me with, sure its easy for him and he with his wages and a herd of cows. Sicken your hole after a while. The ones in the day job that are always at it were all planning their weekends away last week in work while I was facing a weekend of cleaning calf pens out, fencing and milking. Then they tell me it's easy for me🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭straight


    Some people think that in order to elevate themselves they need to drag down the person above them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Ye sounds so familiar, as straight says some people just want to drag others down..just pay no attention I suppose as best we can, but it does grate the constant remarks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 676 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    there are many out there earning north of 100k and not a word about them or from them steady people. with dairy farmers, if you don't hear how much they are making from a few blowholes in the indo or journal you will hear it from media or teagasc annual report. you'd swear it was unusual to make money. I say that ss a dairy farmer



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,591 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The clever ones in other sectors in agriculture (Tillage with 1k's of acres, I'm looking at you.) divide up their empires into separate companies.

    So the above headlines or/and bps publications top earners don't make the print. If can't beat them, join them. Then put the begging bowl out and claim poverty.

    The world is messed up and increasingly going worse by the day.

    Completely by the by on the conversation and topic. Rachel Blackmore had an image of her used in publicity for the cheltenham festival and on betting platforms. She was holding the whip in triumph after a race. The whip was photoshopped out for promotion. Sports promoters were in arms over unrealistic "wokeness" creeping in and the eventual harm this will do to the sport if this continues. The snake eating it's own tail comes to mind.

    The dairy industry here hasn't reached the point yet to call out the unrealistic "wokeness" being imposed. The first few inches of the tail are only after been eaten yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    I agree on that too, these profit monitors shouldn't be let anywhere near a media outlet, only usefull as a comparison tool amongst farmers in a private setting.

    There's a few lads in teagasc and the the media that love talking big numbers about farmers that I can't imagine standing under the dirty end of a cow at 7am on a Sunday morning



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭alps


    Profit monitors aren't left anywhere near the media..not in the last 2 or 3 years as far as I can see. Teagasc got a good wrap on the knuckles over breach of confidentiality and misuse of data from a farming source.

    The data being presented publicly is from the National Farm Survey. This data is collected from specified voluntary farms, collected by professional people.

    This farm survey is a requirement of the EU. I've no idea if it goes on in any other profession or industry. I expect it is, or has been, linked to CAP payments and their justification.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Fair enough they had enough damage done with them, maybe it is linked to the CAP. I know I've worked for a few privately owned companies and I had no idea what they were making or neither would anybody else



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    You are making a very important point.if there was no export then we are f##ked.i was discussing sexed semen with another farmer the other day and we came to conclusion that you re better off staying with standard semen because the only place for these extra beef bred calves is export.dealers on the other hand.........



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    The is a guy beside me a dealer, nice lad, but you would know he is a trick at the same time. He buy and sells all types of cattle (I would guess he averages 100 head a week) and about half would be for orders. He tells me every animal he buys he has to get €60 on, €10 to buy, €20 haulage, €15 to sell, €5 for overheads like vets, admin work, feed, lad working in the yard & finally €10 for his wages for the two days involved. Now with the online marts you can see whats happening everywhere and its hard to see €60 of a difference between stock in one mart to the next, so I would guess it isn't that easy done.

    I tend not to buy any dealers cattle if I can as the way I look at it is if I can take €30 off his price by doing my own thing isn't it better in my pocket.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    We are all hearing about the dairy farmers getting big milk cheques and I was talking to a guy the other night and we were discussing a large local dairy farmer who gave €600 euro an acre of land but then kicked up stink in the mart recently when his Jex bull calves didn't get a bid. He was telling me the same farmer was recently telling his discussion group that it isn't cents per liter any more, its euro+ per liter.

    This lad getting no bid of his calves doesn't seem to want to accept that for him to get €1+ / liter for his milk, he will need to bear the cost of rearing his jex bull calves until they are salable. Just wounder how much is it really costing to produce 1 liter of milk?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    The ironic thing this year is the fellas who left the calves off as soon as they could are being rewarded but the fellas that kept them a month or so are being crucified



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