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Ireland v England Grand Slam Decider 2023

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    What a weird game. In a strange way I'm kind of glad it happened this way. I think that game will really stand to us in the world cup.

    When I looked out the window at lunch time and seen it hammering down, it just reaffirmed my belief that it was going to be closer than a lot expected. I don't think England even played that well. They are so ordinary but we played into their hands. I lost count at the amount of times where we got to the edge and tried an inside pass in contact where the conditions called for either a kick in behind or go another phase.

    Thought Hansen really struggled on that track. He doesn't have the power to run quick enough when it's greasy/soft. Worst game I've ever seen Furlong play and he was still ok.

    Baird or Sheehan for my MOTM. Conan with a massive contribution when he came on.

    Can someone explain the scrums to me? There was one defo pen against us where Furlong's feet went but I can't for the life of me see Peyper's interpretation of the others.

    Negative stuff aside, we are the number 1 side in the world. Teams are actively trying desperately to stop us playing at a cost to how they want to play themselves. We are a side to be feared, number 1 ranked and Grand Slam Champions. Genuinely looking forward to the World Cup now. I think on current form we have an unbelievable chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22




  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    Very poor stuff. A facile pathetic grand slam in a way and also a very troubling game going into the World Cup. How will ireand deal with any sort of pressure in the WC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Was the red card very controversial ? The commentator on itv ( I think) didn’t seem to think so but google are throwing up notifications that it was absurd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    In 2009 it took a late drop goal to win in cardiff.

    In 2018 it took 20odd phases for an injury time DG to win against france in paris.


    This year we beat everybody by more than 10 points.


    Sit back and let that level of dominance sink in. Nobody was within a score of us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    what an absolute load of attention seeking bollocks. Would you go away and embarrass yourself somewhere else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fantastic achievement from a brilliant squad of players.

    Absolute legends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Gibson Park is really a fantastic player , at least 2 or 3 times we were under real pressure and he either was quick enough to pick up a loose ball and break or just made a right decision with a kick



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  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    A rubbish England team down to 14 were running us close with 20 to go…..let that sink in…..



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Irelands average margin of victory was nearly 16 points.

    If it was facile, that’s a function of how good this Ireland team are, and how comparatively easy they made it look.



  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    Cry me a river when Ireland exit the WC at the 1/4 final stage….



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof




  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj




  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    If Ireland do exit at the qtr final then we exit at qtr final

    We should never then disregard the achievements of Irish rugby prior to that exit.

    If you want to discuss in detail please contact me directly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Its an 80 minute game.



    let that sink in.



    What was the final score.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    You spent time to go online to post this..............do I need to say anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    More than virtually every other sport, rugby is a game where the last quarter tells. Many of us spent decades watching Ireland close or even leading on 60 only to be destroyed in the last 20. That’s what soaking up pressure does. You get hosed at the end. It is happening to our opponents with increasing regularity. It’s that extra gear people talk about. Nigel was never more right than the this isn’t soccer line. The tackle stays on 60 pointed to how this was gonna end, just as they did in the Scotland game.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Another point is that, the negative sorts will point to a “14-man England” as if discipline isn’t something within their control.

    I think we’ve had 2 yellow cards in something like our last 21 Tests now? That’s significant. And even more significant in those last 20 minutes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭homah_7ft


    What was going on between POM and Sinkler during the handshakes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭q2ice


    I typed it exactly as it happened, that is a subtract of the exchange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭dublin49


    was at match and rewatched it there,Johnnies cross field that we made them carry over their own line was turning point,Aki ansd Sheehan immense today,



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Rangy


    Looks like they were looking to cut thuggery/liability out of game but didn’t think about the liability coaches would have not opposition or governing body - liability lies with coaches who push players and hold their places to ransom if they don’t do acts of bravery!

    But how do you cut out unintentional hits to the head in a contact sport without inadvertently ruining the game as a contest when the stakes are so high. A hit to the head can cause dementia in X amounts of instances without the majority being taken into account. Just to avoid the insolvency of the game. And it ruins the game as a contest in high stakes deciders and on a league level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Taking my green tinted glasses off ,but is there a better FB in world than Hugo Kennan? I don't think so. There is no other FB I would pick ahead of him. He is first name on team sheet now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Spot on . If we are beaten in 1/4 it's because we were beaten by hosts and probable favorites or NZ not because we choked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Genuine question, how was the atmosphere, seemed subdued until final minutes



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I didn't hear you there, can you say that again...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭Seadin


    If I remember correctly, Ireland found it hard to beat England at the third game of the Slam also in 2009. Things were so desperate that BOD had to take a drop goal to establish a lead in that game. It was a very tight and physical game that day as well. BOD got a battering that day physically by England but the great man survived it.


    2018 was more of a convincing campaign except at Paris where Sexton magic saved us the day. They were almost beaten that day. I remember having a great feeling after that game with Ireland had a great shot at the Slam and that turned out to be.


    We won 2023 Slam in convincing fashion, maybe the negatives were the first 20 minutes against Scotland where they struggled to get control of the game and today's game against England wasn't their best performance but Ireland still full deserving winners overall.

    Hopefully they can now continue the form into the RWC and with a bit of luck along the way get past QF stage of RWC. It's the next milestone the Irish team needs to achieve before having a shot at the RWC title. Only time will tell I guess but we are in a good position to challenge for that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Joma4good


    Yeah, I noticed that too, didn’t look altogether friendly but might be wrong, Sinkler is a bit deep into behavioural psychology these days, or maybe just wanted gardening advice😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Have to agree with those saying the crowd were poor, and the whole "tense, holding their breath" thing is bunkum. Those tense, tight games are where the atmosphere is needed most, thats the last place you need the crowd getting quiet just because their butts are clenched.

    No point singing when the game is done for **** sake.

    Fair play to Ireland, but without the cards they don't win that game. Personally I couldn't give a shite about it because for me its all about the world cup, but what I seen today didn't reassure me at all. Thats exactly the sort of performance gets you dumped on your ass among the world cup also rans.

    The same lads blowing all week about how easy today would be will piss all over this post as well. No worries. I know they will disappear come the inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Our corner of the lower east was hopping ! Thought the atmosphere was good actually, anthems spine tingling



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    I thought todays one was definitely an unfortunate consequence of far sterner laws.

    Lot of neutrals on various comment sections sore about red cards ruining "bloody good test matchs" ...best "bloody good test match" I recall was the all blacks game in the Aviva after Chicago..which actually warranted being ruined by a red card or two ..that's the flip side.



  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭Tommybojangles


    Don't really post or read here much anymore but I'll always come on to lol at t*ts like this after a legendary win ♥️ ☺️ 😊


    Edit, don't think I replied properly but obviously i was replying to the negative t*t above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'm delighted with the win, but disappointed with the performance. I thought we were very poor. Ryan, Baird and POM played well. Lowe, Furlong and Sexton were poor.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    How anyone can think Lowe played poorly is beyond me. The reads he made in defence were nothing short of exceptional in vital moments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I thought he was loose with the ball. He tried to make things happen. He wasn't the worst but, he wasn't his usual self. That said, we were very flat!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Would have been closer if we’d faced 15 for the whole match. England played their natural game and were better for it, Itoje was closer to his best and Tuilagi showed some spark. We had a few problems in the set pieces. Let’s hope Furlong can recapture his form - he put in lots of tackles but made quite a few errors today. Doris didn’t shine. What a player Sheehan is, though. I didn’t think we’d see better than Kelleher for a long time. Bundee anchored the team when we were wobbling and Henshaw looks like he’s coming back. Baird is incredible in the loose and seems solid enough in the scrum too where I doubted him. Hansen was superb.

    If Farrell can keep this form up in France, he’ll deserve inclusion in that strange Irish sporting pantheon of gruff English northerners alongside McCarthy and Big Jack.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Really today was about just getting the result any which way. The level of talk about this game was huge and no one expected anything but a win. The pressure to deliver was massive. Even going back over the years for people with little or no interest in rugby England was always a big game and you had the home grand slam on St Patricks weekend etc. The eyes of the island was on this team with the background threat there that you better not f##k this up. The whole level of expectation would sit really uncomfortably on any team.

    England are in a no man's land at the moment but its still England. They were never going to take another hiding this week.

    I think the first half was very haphazard but we had got a handle on the game by the red card. I was confident that going for half time we'd pull through after ht but the red changes the whole game. It was disappointing to me it put a dampener on the game. I hate seeing red cards unless unavoidable.

    The big concern for me moving forward is that while we generally finish games well, in the 3rd quarter of late our scoring stats have been terrible and again today we lost our way for a while. It was mainly self inflicted in that England never carried a significant threat of a try until we switched off late on but while they had a foothold it piled the pressure on us.

    At key junctures and particularly at 10-9 I thought the majority of the crowd was terrible. I could imagine if it was for example Thomond Park in a big European game or Wales in Cardiff going for a grand slam and the home team had lost their way the crowd would be getting into everything. It sounded like a morgue. Even when Ryan Baird got that turnover at 10-9 it was a huge moment and most of the crowd didn't seem bothered to rise from their slumber.

    For now it's back to the provincial action. Hopefully the provinces finish their seasons strongly and we build momentum towards the autumn.

    We have a grand slam and a series win in New Zealand and we've beaten all the major contenders in the last 12 months but we still have lots to be working on so hopefully lots to look forward to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭q2ice


    I wasnt at the game, watched it on tv. They broadcast the refs mic during the checks.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For all the circular talk I've seen around this game the main thing is that we won and we have a Grand Slam. The scoreline was always of relatively low importance once we achieved that. The performance was less than ideal but that's a matter for a Monday review after the lads have had some time to celebrate and enjoy their achievement properly. The team will learn a lot more from dealing with England's game plan under stress today than they ever could have from the big win people were talking up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,102 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    If we were to win the World Cup, nobody would give a flying figroll if the performance was flawed, flawless or flukey.

    Neither should they care today regarding points etc, it’s still England.

    remember we had an opponent who was playing for large parts of the 80, up to the line and over it as regards the laws, because good old Jaco and co. facilitated it… a team of officials who enabled it consistently…. Should clearly have been another red, a few English forward passes missed by the touch judges and other craic.

    We won every game, on average 30 points scored per game, on average 14 conceded….

    job done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,514 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    how many of that england team were at the last wc semi final? the performances this year have been way under par for the players.

    also Owen farrell should get a yellow card almost every game for no arm tackles never mind the off the ball shoulder charge on sexton.

    england came came out to rough up ireland and they got the rewards for that game plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Appreciate this was a 4am post but the penalty count was 13-7 in our favour, and England had a red and yellow card. A lot of refs would have given Steward a yellow if even that.

    Not sure how Peyper was "facilitating" England.

    What was the offence that "clearly" should have been another red?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It looked odd, with POM aggressively pointing, but if I had to wager it was probably POM picking him up. Like "No you're class, don't be down on yourself " type thing



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭typhoony


    In the 2nd half England did a great job of trying to disrupt us by slowing the game down and kicking at every opportunity, but it shows how good this irish team is that they hung in there and still showed their class over a mediocre team, the handling mistakes were a worry and I think the co-hesivness that Rongrose gives the backing was sorely missed although Henshaw had a great game considering how little rugby he's played, also what's to be done with Baird when Beirne returns, surely he had to fit in somewhere in the starting line up



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    I was in the stadium and thought the atmosphere was really good for most of it. I got a text from home at half time saying same thing and was surprised by that. The English tried twice to get Swing Low going and were sung/shouted down. Everyone in seats before kickoff, only had to get up for people going out near half time. Everyone stayed to for team to do lap.

    Wasnt always pretty but Jesus we have the Slam, we handled everything thrown at us injury wise over it. Johnny got the send off he deserved, what a day. I’ll remember it for a long time. One bad thing about virtual tickets is not having it to hand. Will print it out and put it with the one from the NZ win.

    Will watch game back now today, slam is ours!

    Hope the under 20’s do same today, the future is bright.



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