Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

robinph · 20-03-2023 1:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120379080#Comment_120379080

That is just the title of the session which started at 9:30am that morning. The first link I gave was just a shortcut to the single item about Covid at the end around 2:30pm.

Have a look at the whole page for the entire session from that morning.

/hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2023-03-17/debates/54d72be7-459d-4d75-bf5a-ecea8bf7e861/CommonsChamber

Wasn't a debate, was just a question to the minister. Never any expectation of a debate to happen. No debate was suppressed. Nothing was hidden away as the full text of the question and answer is published on the government website. Was broadcast on the parliamentary TV feed.

There is nothing being hidden here, and nobody prevented from doing what they are meant to be doing.

robinph · 20-03-2023 2:03pm

@[Deleted User]

You'll also note the first line of the initial link which says "Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House do now adjourn.—(Rebecca Harris.)".

Which shows that they had ended the debate of the previous item and adjourned the session... Then there is a chance to ask a minister a question... Not a debate.

Kumejima · 20-03-2023 6:52pm

This of course is the most important point, whether it was technically a debate or a question.

Not the fact that the MP proved that the UK government is pursuing a policy of vaccination that is destroying the health of countless citizens for no benefit except for pharmaceutical companies who are making billions while indemnified from any damages. And he proved it, not using info from some cranks on the internet, but using the governments own figures

Thousands of peoples going to their graves decades early or left with chronic conditions and they are still pushing these vaccines?!

But of course, technically it was probably a question not a debate so we don't have to worry about these destroyed lives not being worthy of the curiosity never mind investigation by the authorities, who are of course culpable on a massively corrupt scale.

20-03-2023 7:51pm

Thank you, the previous poster clearly pivoted the discussion to push it into a siding.

Good to get back to the real subject to hand, the reluctance of the UK government, or any other government, to actually openly discuss the possible harm that has resulted from their knee jerk reactions to covid and the rollout of a vaccine that was "fast tracked" through the testing process (faster than science) without any regard for possible severe adverse reactions and long term effects. The fact that at least one poster has reported a possible long term affect should be sufficient to make people think, but his post has been ignored by all others here.

robinph · 20-03-2023 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380559#Comment_120380559

So that the numbers are taken from publicly available information published by the government and freely available to anyone who cares to look, including journalists and scientific researchers, and cranks on the Internet.... But the only people who have taken that publicly available information and translated it to read "conspiracy" is the cranks on the Internet.

Wouldn't that suggest that possibly the cranks on the Internet have deliberately misinterpreted the data somehow?

If the information is publicly available then where is the conspiracy about the government trying to hide something? Are all journalists in on the conspiracy to ignore the data? Are all potential researchers in on it as well?

Andrew Bridgen has read the 2+2 data provided by the government, but has come to the conclusion that the answer is 5, despite everyone else who looks at the publicly available data saying that the answer is 4.

robinph · 20-03-2023 8:05pm

Oh, and this latest conspiracy claim was that a debate was prevented from happening in Parliament. That was shown as a lie over the previous few posts and nothing was prevented, or blocked, or hidden or people evicted from The House, or told to leave.

Just the mornings business had concluded and everyone left. Is it possible that the Internet crank who claimed that parliament proceedings were being twisted for some nefarious purposes was actually making up their other claims seeing as how they made up lies about the goings on in Parliament?

silliussoddius · 20-03-2023 8:16pm

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380828#Comment_120380828

I’m sure this will be taken on board and opinions adjusted accordingly.

Kumejima · 20-03-2023 10:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380808#Comment_120380808

Well considering that the media, governments and medical establishment were the main players in getting people to take these jabs, its quite natural that they are not rushing at the Speed of Science to broadcast the fact that these experimental drugs are causing more adverse reactions than covid infection in the under 70s.

People tend to get quite irate when you needlessly, relentlessly and deliberately destroy their health and rob them of years of their natural life span and kill their loved ones. I knoowww, the public make such draaama over the littlest things. OMG they're just like huskies.

All of them are praying that the public will remain as gullible and asleep has they have mainly been until now. Its hard though, to stay in an unthinking coma, when you find your 26 year old son dead in his bed. Or you have cancer and its gone straight to stage 4 and isn't responding to treatment because your immune system doesn't function any more.

They're trying to delay the inevitable, but it is inevitable. There's no stopping the truth from coming to light.

robinph · 21-03-2023 12:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381356#Comment_120381356

Well considering that the media, governments and medical establishment were the main players in getting people to take these jabs, its quite natural that they are not rushing at the Speed of Science to broadcast the fact that these experimental drugs are causing more adverse reactions than covid infection in the under 70s.

The governments and medical establishment who you accuse of hiding information from us are literally the source of the information which the latest claims are derived from.

How does them providing the information fit with the claims that they are also hiding this very same information?

Kumejima · 21-03-2023 5:23pm

I didn't claim that they were hiding the info.

Its not weird to you that they have had this info yet have had no curiosity to see if the whole reason to roll out the vaccines - to prevent hospitalisation and death and keep pressure off the NHS - was actually justified?

Really? You jab 90% of the population to save their health, supposedly, yet you don't bother to see if that turns out to be true? You just don't bother looking at outcomes and data and rely on backing your own decision without any evidence to support it? You're not even curious to see if these experimental drugs that you have spent and continue to spend billions on are efficacious and more importantly, a safer option than just letting people catch covid?

Some random MP has to point out, to a hastily vacated chamber, that there is no medical reason to continue with the vaccines and in fact every reason to stop them.

It doesn't strike you as curious that the government and health authorities would not be looking at this and reacting accordingly? That they blithely continue to promote a vaccine proven by their own figures to cause more harm than it prevents?

Since you accuse our side of fantasy land stuff, why don't you come up with a theory as to why the British government have not stopped the booster program? Why have the medical authorities not advised the booster program be stopped? Why have the British media not had this on Page 1 for days given that , what 90% of the adult population in the UK is jabbed? You think there is no interest in a story that proves the jabs are more harmful to the under 70s than Covid?

After 2 years where every death of an 85 year old with multiple conditions was treated as a national tragedy, now noone cares that people are being harmed needlessly?

Can you give a good reason why the authorities are acting so blase in the face of such evidence? And why it takes a lone Mp to raise the subject, rather than the government health minister?

We know they are less safe than covid infection, so why are they being promoted? Whats your theory on that?

robinph · 21-03-2023 6:37pm

The chamber wasn't hastily vacated, people just left to go home for the weekend.

As for the stats that were read out, that is the well researched and known about numbers from the Yellowcard reporting system, which doesn't show the numbers that were being claimed. Unless you include the reports of people breaking their legs post vaccine as relavent, or taking up smoking, or being stung by a bee, or getting pregnant etc...

Those numbers from that system are well known, well researched by people who actually understand them... But unfortunately also used as a source of misinformation by people trying to push an anti vax agenda.

23-03-2023 1:57pm

Yet another study that correlates excess deaths with vaccine uptake.

So for me, the evidence that the vaccines did more harm than good is getting clearer and those who pushed the vaccines really should hang their heads in shame.

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202302.0350/v1

Abstract

We primarily study a possible link between 2021 COVID-19 vaccination uptake in Europe and monthly 2022 excess all-cause mortality, i.e., mortality higher than before the pandemic. Analyses of 31 countries weighted by population size show that all-cause mortality during the first nine months of 2022 increased more the higher the 2021 vaccination uptake; a one percentage point increase in 2021 vaccination uptake was associated with a monthly mortality increase in 2022 by 0.105 percent (95% CI, 0.075-0.134). When controlling for alternative explanations, the association remained robust, and we discuss the result emphasizing causality as well as potential ecological fallacy. Also, the study shows that 2021 all-cause mortality was lower the higher the vaccination uptake, but this association became non-significant when controlling for alternative explanations.

odyssey06 · 23-03-2023 2:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120391485#Comment_120391485

It is a a pre print study... with all the caveats that come with them.

Which has to explain away inconvenient facts like:

Also, the study shows that 2021 all-cause mortality was lower the higher the vaccination uptake, but this association became non-significant when controlling for alternative explanations.

And as has been pointed out multiple times on the thread, correlation isn't necessarily causation.

Have you forgotten you already recently posted statistics on the thread showing lower all cause mortality for vaccinated?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293522#Comment_120293522

23-03-2023 2:22pm

In the body of the paper is the following statement:-

Model 1, Table 3, shows that vaccination uptake has a non-significant direct associa-

tion with the dependent variable, but the significant monthly association indicates that

the overall mortality tends to increase over time. The interaction between vaccination up-

take and time passed in months since the beginning of 2022 (V*M) is strongly significant

and implies that the mortality increases the higher the vaccination uptake. Specifically, it

shows that a one percentage point increase in 2021 vaccination uptake is associated with

an increase in 2022 monthly mortality by 0.105 percent (95% CI, 0.075-0.134).

So the increase in death rate is not immediate but appears to be cumulative over time.

odyssey06 · 23-03-2023 2:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120391590#Comment_120391590

The increase is death rate is more than just not immediate.

Also, the study shows that 2021 all-cause mortality was lower the higher the vaccination uptake.

And we have UK ONS data you posted on the thread showing lower all cause mortality in the UK for vaccinated, including in 2022.

Was the 2021 decrease greater than the supposed increase they found in 2022?

And what would that tell you?

patnor1011 · 23-03-2023 8:20pm

Some people do not understand what "cumulative over time" means.

robinph · 24-03-2023 12:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393201#Comment_120393201

Do you mean to say that over the years more and more people who were vaccinated in 2021 will die in each subsequent year?

Fighting Tao · 25-03-2023 6:43pm

wrong thread, I think.

patnor1011 · 26-03-2023 8:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394156#Comment_120394156

I mean that cumulative in this case does not mean time passed but number of jabs taken. Some people took 5 in two years and are looking forward for another booster.

robinph · 26-03-2023 11:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120403745#Comment_120403745

So the people who took the most vaccines are more likely to die sooner than those who didn't take the full set, or any?

Could that possibly be related to the fact that the older and more pre existing medical conditions someone has, the more vaccine jabs they will have been offered?

27-03-2023 12:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404441#Comment_120404441

So you accept that people who got more jabs are more likely to die.

27-03-2023 12:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116985238#Comment_116985238

That didn't age well, did it? German scientists recently concluded a study that showed that 30% of their excess death was due to the vaccine. Or perhaps you do not consider 'death' to be a 'serious side effect', huh?

In the UK, they have abandoned ethics altogether and don't carry out Post Mortems until up to six weeks after death. The British Coroners' Office has literally created an environment whereby there has never been a time when it has been easier to get away with committing murder by poisoning since the advent of forensic science.

Personally, I think that anyone who supported Government lockdowns and vaccine mandates should be excluded from any future discussions with regard to Public Health on the basis that you got it so wrong and that has resulted in the deaths of healthy people. The irony is, all of you who got it so wrong costing so many lives and putting millions of people into abject despair still refuse to listen to those who were correct all along.

27-03-2023 1:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120279457#Comment_120279457

lol And of course, the morally unimpeachable Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson have your complete trust... clearly. While you would tarnish people like Robert Malone and Peter McCullough, people with much more expertise than the likes of Ferguson, Fauci and Collins, two of whom have been shown to have LIED about their funding of gain of function research, DECIDING of your OWN free-will to put your faith into immoral agents who stand to become fabulously wealthy from making human behaviour a criminal act.

Let's see; Boris Johnson... he was so freaked out by the fact he caught COVID that he observed lockdown rules obsessively. Oh, wait, no... he was fined for ignoring the rules he imposed on the rest of us including the Queen who had to socially distance at her husband's funeral while Johnson and his mates laughed at you all as he quaffed wine and mingled with others in defiance of the law.

And Matt Hancock... lol - he is so possessed of moral fortitude that not only did he violate the laws around COVID, he took the opportunity to commit adultery while doing so.

Then you have your scientists; Neil Ferguson first: he had shares in the vax manufacturers and therefore stood to gain financially by pushing for vaccine mandates but let's not mention 'conflict of interests' because that phrase is reserved for Donald Trump. Instead, let's focus on his morality... Oops! He too violated COVID laws and like Matt Hancock, he used the opportunity to engage in adultery too. lol We haven't even left London yet and already your collection of heroes are looking very dubious.

Then you have the virtuous and pious Fauci; he denied life-saving drugs to AIDS patients. He also denied funding gain of function research. And if you have seen the 'Fauci emails', you would know that he tried to hide the fact that the S-protein and its Feron cleavage site was man-made, silencing critics of the 'wet market' narrative which he pushed from day one.

And his accomplice, Francis Collins. He too attempted to hide the fact that the S-protein was man-made.

Then you have the banning of Ivermectin and its characterization as 'horse-dewormer' when in fact it is a Nobel-prize winning drugs that was administered to human and virtually made 'river-blindness' a thing of the past whilst maintaining one of the best safety profiles of any drugs created EVER and is KNOWN to be effective in the early stages of COVID and will entirely prevent it if taken pre-infection.

And let's not forget about world renowned epidemiologist Bill Gates and the vast profits he made from his investment in the vax agenda. No conflict of interests there of course. lol

So, we have your set of hypocrites, liars and adulterers, whom you trust with the lives of MY children, if not yours, so let's see how they compare to Andrew Bridgen, Robert Malone and Peter McCullough. I should also point out your own hypocrisy in denouncing Bridgen while fellating Hancock.

Your ball, mate. Can you come up with any evidence that any of my guys are anywhere near as morally compromised or remotely as corrupt as your gang of deviants?

27-03-2023 3:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120391631#Comment_120391631

You are missing so much data from your cherry-picked circumstances. In 2019 there was less mortality due to a milder winter. Did you forget that or is it just an inconvenient fact that undermines the position of your lot? It was mild so there were fewer flu-deaths. 2020 was when the S-protein was deployed globally and all those that would have succumbed to flu the previous year had the winter been more severe were killed by COVID and ventilators and in car-crashes and with high doses of end-of-life drugs resulting in a higher mortality than the previous year. As a result of this deliberate purge designed to put the fear of God into the healthy population by euthanizing lots of old people in care-homes, there was less 'dry tinder' to burn the following year, 2021. 'They' had 'dispatched' too many old people that would otherwise have survived into the following year where no doubt, some of them would have then passed which means that the 2021 figures were 'artificially reduced'.

And obviously, 'they' then started forcefully pumping the vax into the population and thereby lowered the immunity of the population and in 2022, you reaped what your lot had previously sowed.

You are being disingenuous and intellectual honesty from all the advocates on your side is conspicuous by its absence. This is not rocket science.

2019 - mild winter meant reduced mortality.

2020 - COVID kills those who barely survived 2019 as well as those ready to pass in 2020, PLUS those who would have died the following year from flu, pneumonia, etc., PLUS those who fell victim to the Government purge leading to increased mortality.

2021 - Because of the 'overkill' in 2020, there was a shortage of vulnerable elderly people in 2021 and that resulted in lower mortality in 2021. This was the year of vax mandates and the population was forced to submit to a process that teaches our DNA to make the deadly S-proteins triggering inflammation, clotting, myocarditis, strokes, etc., and generally undermining the human immune systems in those susceptible to adverse events due to the vax.

2022 - The immunological problems, sudden onset diabetes, sudden onset on stage 4 cancers, etc., accumulated over 2021 and in 2022, 10% of them started dying and that led to increased mortality in 2022.

Facts! Why are you so opposed to an investigation into the sudden deaths of your previously healthy countrymen and women that correlate so strongly with vaccine uptake? Would you dismiss the possibility that Chernobyl might have something to do with increased cancers on the basis that correlation is not equal to causation? I mean, your lot have already decided that because you don't like the messenger, the message is corrupt which is to say that in this case, correlation IS causation. Right?

So, how about you all drop the double standards and start acting like you have a vested interest in the future generations you appear so willing to sacrifice?

robinph · 27-03-2023 4:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404621#Comment_120404621

Yes, in the same way that I accept that global warming only came about when the number of pirates operating at sea reduced.

27-03-2023 1:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120404860#Comment_120404860

Okay, so you outright deny any link between vaccines and myocarditis. From the Johns Hopkins site:

"Pfizer and Moderna. After observing rare occurrences of myocarditis following the second injection of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, the CDC released information for the public. Most of these myocarditis events happened in teens and young adults, and the majority of the cases were mild and cleared up on their own. Read about side effects related to myocarditis."

Can you understand that? I will explain. According to Johns Hopkins, one jab, no problem; two jabs gets myocarditis. Can you do arithmetic? One is less than two and when you have more than one jab, you increase chances of myocarditis. Now look at the last bit: 'the majority of the cases...' - What about the minority of cases, the ones that hospitals, doctors, politicians and self-loathing, white-hating race-baiting quislings of these fora are brushing under the carpet. Why do we have warning on cigarette packets when the majority of people don't develop issues?

Right?

Lots of people smoke, most of them don't die and correlation is not causation, right?

Although Johns Hopkins and the CDC, HSE, NHS do everything they can to play down and dismiss the deaths of young people due to the vaccine, they do inadvertently admit that there are a minority of case that are NOT mild and which do NOT clear up on their own and because of your feelings with regard to young people, you are not even curious about that minority group. I imagine that if that minority wanted to disfigure their genitals, you would be their greatest supporter then, wouldn't you? They are sadly the WRONG kind of minority for the Liberals you represent here and therefore their deaths are of no significance to you.

At any rate, your intellectual dishonesty and cowardice has been exposed here. According to the 'experts', you are more likely to get myocarditis after two jabs than you are with one. And SOME people, usually those young people you lot seem to despise so much, DIE as a result. Therefore, there is a recognized link between number of shots and death and you think pirates are the solution to global warming.

Checkmate, mofu.

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robinph · 27-03-2023 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120406280#Comment_120406280

However, "rare occurrences" of which the "majority of cases were mild and cleared up on their own" does not fit with the claim that the vaccines are more dangerous than covid or that somehow people are dying in massive numbers due to taking the vaccines.

27-03-2023 2:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120406335#Comment_120406335

It would also be correct to say that if young healthy people were not given the vax, then the number of "rare occurrences" would have been zero!

Please remind us all "How many young healthy people actually died as a direct result of getting covid?"

robinph · 27-03-2023 4:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120406641#Comment_120406641

Well this page shows well over 1000 deaths from Covid for under 50's in the UK, just up until 1st January 2021.

Deaths from COVID-19 by age band - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

How many people have died as a result of any of the vaccines?

According to the UK MHRA, up until February 2023:

"The MHRA has received 30 UK reports of suspected ADRs with a fatal outcome to the bivalent COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and 42 reports of suspected ADRs with a fatal outcome for the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine Moderna. The MHRA has received no UK reports with a fatal outcome for COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax."

Coronavirus_Vaccine-Summary_of_Yellow_Card_reporting_autumnupdate_DLP20230222.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)

So we have 1000+ deaths within one year for just the under 50's when there were no vaccines available, versus 72 deaths in total for all age groups over 2 years potentially caused by the vaccines.

27-03-2023 5:10pm

I said HEALTHY people, not people with severe health issues, which is conveniently omitted from the stats.

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