Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

So immigration was never put to the Irish population in any politically meaningful way.

Just what I already knew. And everyone else.

I had to do a double take there, what are you waffling specifically about "brown people" for? What's that got to do with anything?

The day "brown people" take up double the space of a Japanese or German person I'll pay attention to "brown" people specifically.

So, never, in other words, was immigration as an issue in itself put to the people of Ireland at any politically actionable level.

Like everyone knows, including your good self.

Any definition yet on what mass migration is to you, in a number?

9% foreign born in 5 years is not to you, so what % in 5 years is?

"Go back to a time when there was no immigration and no doctors". Hard to credit that a human wrote that.

Ah yes, the great pyramid theory in full force.

First, let's forget that Ireland existed as a fully functioning country, warts and all, healthcare included, before the great arrival of mass immigration. That way, you don't need to question "but how?!"

Next, you need to ignore that hundreds of thousands of extra people have put downward pressure on employment and wages, put upward pressure on infrastructure like housing and healthcare, and therefore "encouraging" whole rafts of healthcare student classes to get the feck out of the place, as well as put many other people in worse circumstances.

Then you need to ignore that it's essentially a swap of people who expect more for people who work for less. Great business idea in the short term. You get what you pay for, but never mind that, we're on a roll.

Then you need to ignore that the resultant cost of these infrastructural problems means less money available to pay for better standards because everything's an emergency...

..and then, with less people able to afford normal family life, ergo less ability to have children, it is only AFTER this magic point that the brain is allowed engage, and state with gusto "Well, gonna have to import even more people cos derp"!

All joking aside, this pyramid scheme is one of the stupidest things going these days.

No, scams don't work, and *look at the healthcare situation*, sure is getting better year after year. Isn't it? Let's have more of that, not.

No, it's that 9% of the population arrived here in the space of 5 years.

Why wouldn't it bother a person that their own country is under such immense population pressure?

At the rate its going and projected to go, half the country won't be Irish in spitting time. So on the one hand there's the already farcical impacts on housing and everything else, so less of that thanks, and on the other hand it's outright ridiculous on a cultural level. Imagine the likes of China's Chinese population halving in no time, at what point does a person even be called Chinese? You're not talking about some slow and natural cultural, economic, and societal change over time, its the equivalent of just dumping masses of people in an instant and thinking its fine.

Who'd encourage or condone essentially the same fate of American Indians? Except on fast forward speed.

Besides a total lunatic.

But you know what, I'm happy enough to contend with the infrastructural problems brought on by mass immigration, that'll do for right now.

There absolutely is a comparison, a nation of one people reduced to sheer insignificance in numbers.

It's a base point but entirely applicable. For arguments sake and simplicity, at a rate of population increase of non-irish at 10% every 5 years...what's the goal or endpoint there, a population of 10% Irish people before you know it? Why would it stop at 10%? When do the reservations begin? Replace gaeltachts with "original irish" places?

As for EU migration, yes, I'm against that too as things stand. It's a number problem, not an origin problem.

No need to mention laws and regulations, they're as durable as the paper they're written on. Everything can change, and looking at the state of the place in all regards, they simply must.

And that's why I want, and many more want too, a direct say in the immigration non-policies of this tiny country. Today.

No man, it isn't the vast majority since the celtic tiger.

17% foreign born total, 9% IN THE LAST 5 YEARS.

Unless the celtic tiger was in 2018, you're way off.

You’ve got a fairly blinkered view of Irish society. Plenty of unskilled workers, more than third level educated anyways.