Unhappy with owning an EV in Ireland

I was just looking at nobby on youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtIIXNGAzUg, any way checking the prices, https://www.kia.com/ie/purchase-guide/pricelist/ prices for the sportage phev have gone up 3000 euro in 6 months.

For the niro

K3 HEV105g €190 €37,700

K3 PHEV21g €140 €39,700

K3 EV**0g €120 €41,775

K4 PHEV21g €140 €42,700

K4 EV **0g €120 €44,990

Remove the grant from the EVs then they would have adjust their price even more,

For me, I could drive the phev for 4 or 5 years before I would be out of pocket.

You have to also factor in consumerism . It's not all about value of money but of folks wanting to consume the latest and greatest.

Case in point would be the Tesla Model Y..

It only existed as a Long Range or Performance (both dual motor) until recently because production was at capacity and they were selling every car they made (with higher margins), but since Berlin came fully online as well as the increase in capacity in Shanghai they then started producing the ‘base’ spec RWD version, and they’ve been selling like hot cakes.. (helped too by the price drops)….

When the Model Y was first available here the cheapest version was close to €70k, now the cheapest version is €46k…. And that will have opened it up to so many prospective buyers..

If the other manufacturers could do something similar re base spec versions of their EV’s, they’d probably also sell like hot cakes, but before they’d even consider that they need the production capacity to do it…. Why devote some of what is already limited production to a lesser margin version of any car they make…

Tesla have once again stolen a March on the competition (when Giga Mexico is opened it’ll most likely be solely producing the cheaper again ‘Model 2’ car), and the Chinese probably won’t be too far behind!!

Ignoring headline figures for a moment and putting my accounting hat on, isn't the true cost of owning a car depreciation + financing + running + servicing and repair costs over the period you own it?

Say 3 years of owning a car and 33% depreciation on both, argue that figure later, the ev6 will cost 18k in depreciation while the sportage will be 12,333. Assuming financing costs are the same the ev6 will be 5,667 dearer than the sportage over 3 years which is where the cheaper fuel amd servicing comes in. Assuming you're charging primarily at home it's only 1800 a year to start recouping, 35 euro a week. At certain mileage

Numbers aren't exact by any means and every case needs it's own calculations but I can see many situations where the ev6 will work out cheaper or at least break even over the sportage. But for balance for a low mileage driver I can see shortage winning out to be fair.

That's before giving any weight to which car you actually prefer and the argument whether they are true competitors to each other in the first place?

I bought a 42k EV and it may be wishful thinking, but I hope it holds its value very well in comparison to what a 42k ICE would. But who knows??

The discussion is about buying an EV and using the public network to charge it.

I can't see the financials making sense.

I would not compare Audi/BMW with a Tesla, paying as much as a brand-name car does not make it so.

Tesla, BMW and Audi are priced the same. Three premium car brands.

I wouldn't say that now. A fairly large crossover from Tesla starts at €46k, the one from BMW starts at €86k (both have a wheel base of about 2900-3000mm, which is indicative of overall interior size). The only Teslas that are premium are the Model S and Model X and you haven't been able to order those from Tesla for a few years now.

Totally agree with your second post about car prices ICE / PHEV vs BEV, there is very little in it now for cars below the grant level

No I got the point alright. The base versions of those 3 cars are similar in price but I would call the A4 and 3 series premium, the Tesla not premium. Although the difference is a lot less than it would have been a generation ago.

Similar to a VW Golf is semi-premium, but its successor the ID.3 for similar money is an econobox pur sang 😁

Exactly

Your point in relation to the EV6 and Sportage still makes no sense. Sit in both and drive them before you call one premium and the other bog standard.

I don't use the public charging network, our driving profile doesn't require it.

We have a rare long journey coming and it will be either

1/ arrange with host to granny charge

2/ see if host has a neighbour that can let us charge

3/ drive the diesel.

I've seen for myself, read on social media and spoken to enough people to know that public charging is best avoided. Plenty of examples on this thread alone.

It's fine for occasional use but really not practical as your primary source.

Then there is the cost of charging all the time on the public network, I just don't see it making financial sense tbh. If it was substantially cheaper then you'd get over the inconvenience but it's not and time is money.