Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

It's seems your not right.

11 operational jets and the rest will be used as spares again it's nothing new in return the Slovakians Will be getting more aircraft and 12 AH1 viper attack helicopters in return for their mig29s and spares.

Oddly enough that grain can only leave via the Bosporus straight which is firmly under Turkish control, anything happens to a grain vessel they could turn around and say no vessels are coming or going,

Russia badly needs commercial shipping for supplies from Iran and Syria

It is quite telling that you have to resort to automotive blog to support your belief.

It is also telling that planes are still in Slovakia till they will be transferred to Ukraine via Poland on a train.

Oh yes, they are operational as in dials and led come to a life when they turn a key in cockpit yet they are not airworthy and as of now nobody wants to certify them so they cant go up in the air. That may be due to a fact that engines in 10 of 13 of them are over 30 years old and way past their prime. EU norms are quite strict about what you need to do if you want to fly a plane.

So we went from jets to some jets and subsequently to at least spare parts. I still think it was a masterstroke by Slovak defence ministry to get so much money for tech nobody wanted for a third of what they are getting for them now. I am quite sure ukraine can use some parts of them and even give them new life if they will find some spare engines or pilots willing to take them to the sky.

11 operational aircraft and the rest is spares,this was the case from the outset you thought you had a gotcha moment and it didn't work did it ,

No

It's funny Poland did the exact same a few months ago with some of their Mig 29s some were full Aircraft others were fuselages and wings, nothing exactly shocking there .

Well, your gotcha moment coming from automotive blog and mine from slovakian and US press. Seems that langley is lacking NYT subscription and some slovak translators.

You proved how important for you is to have a dreams and live in them...

Lol even your own link says:

It's generally a bad sign that the planes are arriving on a train, if you ever buy a bran new Cessna even a little single engine 172 it is flown to you across the Atlantic in one piece generally it's considered a bad idea to disassemble an aircraft once it has been put together in the factory. Plus one major question is even when they get them and if they manage to get them flying where do they take off from?

Despite other posters claiming that it is a norm it is mainly because 3 out of 13 do not have engines and remaining 10 jets engines are 30+ years old and nobody will certify them as safe to fly. Slovakia decided to ground them also due to string of accidents where they lost few of them and one pilot too.

Without certification they cant take off and nobody is keen on to certify them due to possible liability in case of accident.

Ukraine can still use them as source of spare parts for their own jets or they can try to make them airworthy if they can. Most of them will need to be refitted with parts which were leased from russia and which are most likely gone.

You mean according to my source on the other thread as you read earlier at 14:20 today

Your welcome

I think most know what the 'Russian peace' really means.

Ukraine tried to cozy up with the Americans politically, and now their nation is in ruins... Would you say Ukraine is a more or less peaceful place since they made this fateful decision?

As the saying goes "to be America's enemy is dangerous, to be their friend is fatal".

Whatever is left of Ukraine after this war is over, it will have been one of the harshest lessons any nation could learn. Choose your friends wisely.

Ukraine is fighting for a future like Poland rather than Belarus. Belarus is in for a different kind of ruin if Russia has its way with it. Russia would have not have brought peace to Ukraine but... death squads, disappearances, tyranny, plunder of resources. That is not a nation at peace either.

Would you say being friendly with the US has been fatal for Poland, Baltic States, Finland etc?

Or Denmark, Germany, Italy, Norway...

Give a European country the free choice between EU / US and NATO and USSR / Russia and they choose to align with the West.

Russian violations of Budapest started when Ukraine attempted to engage with the EU not the US / NATO. So to talk of cozying up to the Americans is a false rewriting of what actually happened.

Finally...

London 1940 wasnt a peaceful place either. It seems there are things countries deem more important than the mere absence of war and choose to fight rather than surrender.

Are u talking about the short or long term? I understand that the sunflowers should be up at some stage and will look better than ever with all that fertiliser!

Ukraine like other ex-USSR states know full well what living under Russian dominance means... that's why they all choose to leave when they got the chance,. With hindsight, Ukraine should have left then as well. But, instead Putin was able to install a Government favorable to him, and when that failed, the puppet Govt showed its Russian fangs, in Maidan. When a Govt, any Govt, started killing its citizens, its time to kick them out. Run, I guess you have never actually lived in Russia? You should try it sometime, it will be an eye opener, for sure!!! There's an old saying ( but still valid today) " If you are unhappy in your own Country, go and live in Russia for awhile. When you leave, you will be very happy with your own Country. All of the ex-USSR states are now all doing well for themselves. And Ukraine, like the Phoenix, will rise from the ashes, but the new Ukraine will be almost unrecognizable from the old one. It will be stronger militarily and better economically, the two things that Putin feared most. Ironically, an old Chechen foe, Dzhokhar Dudayev also said that when Ukraine rises, it will spell the end of the Russian Empire. And every day that passes now looks more and more that's what will happen.