Milk Price III

No certainty of actually getting the money though at each payment

They may have been negotiated on that premise, in some instances even agreed between both parties.

In fairness 250 to 300 are realistic figures not like the willy wavers offering stupid money

Not necessarily the catch is the lessor must continue to pay the PRSI and USC even though they are not getting the rent

This would really put the cat among the pigeons

Whats the stocking rate per hectare without derigation?

Prince Edward Island home of the potato.

The 5 to 10 is the potato growing ground. Ground water in places is already at 10mg/litre. 10mg is the limit for drinking water. Is potato growing going to be curtailed in Prince Edward Island because of this nitrate leaching? No. Because it's plant based and heads are in denial that tillage increases nitrate leaching into ground water and waterways. Their solution is to spread biochar on the potato ground. What will this do if it ever leaves the proposals? It'll reduce nitrates for a year or two after applying but it will increase nitrate leaching after. Why? Because the biochar will soak nitrates for the year but after it'll become home to biology and biology is nitrogen. So it'll increase the soils own ability to generate nitrates but it won't have the chance to stay in soil as it'll be tilled again and it'll be leached. The primary nitrate and biology will inhabit the biochar but any excess from this will just go.

In this country we've nitrate levels of 7 in the tillage areas. It's 5 in pasture areas. Tilling no matter what crop, maize, potatoes, cereal, beans, etc allows rainfall to wash through the loose soil and leach through the nitrates from the dead biology to the groundwater and waterways. Here we blame it on soil types not the tillage. Never the tillage. We've proposals here to increase the tillage area. What will happen? Nitrates to waterways will increase. But where will the fault be put. It'll be put on the livestock and pasture land. Pasture land that with a fully functioning eco system and biology is able to soak up the nitrates and lock it into the soil. The latest result from the Cork farmers showed this in reducing nitrates. Back to the increasing nitrates from the increasing tillage area (proposals) the fault will be put on the livestock. Farmers will definitely loose the derogation. More land will go to tillage. Nitrates increase more now in more waterways. Farmers will be made destock land. Protests ala the netherlands. Farms may be offered to be bought. 2050 emissions targets will be met. But we'll now be gone from where we are now as the 2nd cleanest waterways in Europe to joining the European average. But we'll be woke now and drinking oat milk with more limestone added than goresbridge quarry. And singing cum by ya liqured up on middleton distilery's finest.

You'd need 100 acres to milk 65 cows.

It will reduce the amount of milk and calves in the system!

A lot of dero farmers are in it to have viable numbers to milk full time. If it goes it could likely lead as much to an exit as a reduction

Exactly Moo. As alps said above, 100acres would now divide down to 70 middle band cows, a bull and nitrates to carry calves to 3 weeks before selling. That would be a flying herd. You would see a lot of lad's heading for the door at that.