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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    does anyone else here still have to pinch themselves about roddy ogormless’s tweets in albanian, Georgian etc for refugees to come here and get their own houses in 4 months LOL

    I still can’t get over it - and the bussing of single random blokes around the country in the dead of night.

    the worst government we’ve ever had. By a long long way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    "roddy ogormless’s tweets in albanian, Georgian etc for refugees to come here and get their own houses in 4 months LOL"

    Leaving aside the childish name calling can you provide anything to backup this "refugees to come here and get their own houses in 4 months LOL" or did you swallow some rubbish from Twitter that misrepresented this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭tinsofpeas


    These supposed representatives of Ireland (they only represent a tiny minority) have spelled out time and time again that they wanted to get as many extra people into the country as possible. And then even more.

    There's the example you quote, literally advertising, ADVERTISING, across the world about free homes. It made it onto Al Jazeera news at the time ffs.

    All done with a housing crisis in full swing. A conscious decision made by governments. Not a mistake, not a slip, not a whoopsie daisy.

    Here's another example, their printed, published and publicly available "2040 plan" where without a single, solitary fecking explanation as to WHY, they intended to get an extra million people squeezed into the country.

    Again, all done with a housing crisis simmering away. A conscious decision, again.

    There's lots more besides. Amnesties for illegals, "special" visa programmes, government guarantees on foreign reit buy outs, NAMA sensations, Jesus christ there's probably less brown envelopes going through An Post.


    No no, no. This is beyond a lack of representation, or a bunch of incompetents.

    This is and was a plan, they told you straight out. And no amount of crises facing the Irish people was going to slow their roll. Until it came crashing down.

    Like it's doing now.

    We need them to do a 180 on their "plans" that have done nothing but wrecked the place thus far, or they need to go. There's no middle ground here.

    An actionable democratic vote on immigration needs to be demanded. Without that as a basic starting point, every other effort is for nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    It actually does exist - seriously, I couldn’t believe it either . I can’t be assed to find it but Google it. He did it in about 7 languages back in early 2021. It’s almost like they wanted this influx ….



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    He sent out a tweet explaining a white paper published about the vision to ending direct provision.



    This does not equate with the poster I replied to saying "refugees to come here and get their own houses in 4 months LOL"

    Can see why it was spun like this and promoted and where the sources come from.


    So do you think the poster was correct in stating "roddy ogormless’s tweets in albanian, Georgian etc for refugees to come here and get their own houses in 4 months" ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭supermans ghost


    To quote the great President Reagan “there you go again” with your Ireland should have a population of 10 million. You are literally parroting the same narrative that the self serving Nick Henderson of the Irish Refugee Council was quoted as stating how great it will be when Ireland has all these immigrants from those culturally open communities of Afghanistan, Pakistan and a slew of African countries.

    Again just to clue you in, stopping a countries population growth is what they did in China, this is about curtailing the invasion of illegal immigrants into this country under the false narrative of the “asylum seeker” process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    You’ve literally just backed up what I’ve said. After four months in Ireland those who’s claims are being considered are getting own door accommodation.

    and he sent out his tweet to this in those languages. Why would he even need to tweet in those languages on the World Wide Web ???

    also how long do you think it takes Ireland to process a claim - and how many ever actually get rejected ??



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Accommodation is not housing. Can see why you got caught up with the lie.

    Will reiterate what the claim was "roddy ogormless’s tweets in albanian, Georgian etc for refugees to come here and get their own houses in 4 months"

    You seem to believe a set of keys are handed over in 4 months that is not what is being stated or proposed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭tinsofpeas


    It's much of a moot point.

    He signal boosted, across the world, a policy instrument that couldn't have been more ill-conceived were it handwritten by four thousand thumbless macaques.

    ....translated into strangely-particular languages...

    ...in the middle of a housing crisis for irish people...


    The message was received. And it without doubt has made the housing crisis worse.

    How else could anything so blatant be interpreted?? An accident? A whole bunch of government people and cohorts slipped on a banana skin simultaneously, accidentally wrote out policy adjustments that could only ever worsen the housing situation, fell backwards onto a keyboard that inexplicably translated it all exactly into foreign languages, and then your man fell flat on his arse, his phone in the back pocket perfectly writing it all out on mass social media?

    Well, there's a chance, I suppose.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    Did he claim to do what the original poster I replied to state? Did he promise everyone who arrives in Ireland a home of their own in a few months of arrival?

    If you think they did please show something that backs up the statement. If not then why bother replying?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,470 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Various analysts and demographers predict that the Republic's population is unlikely to go much over 6m at any point in the 21st century (and the figure might never be reached in fact). To put those numbers in perspective, Scotland's current population is 5.5m, Finland also 5.5m and Denmark is 5.85m.

    The idea that Ireland is "full" or overpopulated seems to be gaining traction, but it's much more likely that Irish governments have simply been very slow in building new social housing and associated infrastructure in the last 20 years to cope with a growing population and economy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    how do you know he’s not talking about a house ?? Anyways stop trying to bog this discussion down. Irish gov minister advertises to the world all the benefits they will get - In Albanian , Georgian languages etc. are you not Curious about that??


    also if albania and Georgia are safe counties - then why would be be discussing refugee policy in their languages ??


    Apart from obsessing yourself over a word, do you not find this a little odd ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Where did he saw the policy was to offer a house to refugees after 4 months? Not bogging down any conversation at all.

    Quick question why someone who has stated here as not living in Ireland got so much concern in the topic?



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    From Ireland buddy. Born and bred. Have also lived in other places that have had big issues with mass immigration.

    now , you’ve not answered my question on why roddy would tweet all this in various languages eg Albanian and Georgian ??? Countries from where a subsequent large amount of asylum seekers have come from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭tinsofpeas


    The population in Ireland is not surging because of any natural reason. It is surging due to immigration. Any extra-environmental factor is unnatural. 9% of the population arrived in just 5 years.

    It isn't remotely down to "natural" anything.

    Do you know why the likes of the UN report on a sudden slowdown in population growth? Why does it stop at 7 million for Ireland? Why 8 billion for the world?

    They say out loud it's down to reproductive choices. That has a part.

    What they are not saying publicly is WHY. Why would reproductive choices change at a certain point?

    The answer is, not widely known yet, is that the environment (everything from society to economy included) is projected to become inhospitable. THATS why people will "choose" to have less children.

    One needn't wonder. Look at ireland right now. Difficult to capture in data yet, but how many relationships and families and possible children are directly negatively impacted by the infrastructural impact of unnecessary population increase? Plenty. And increasing.

    Unlike bacteria, humans have the capacity to think ahead, how many in Ireland right now are seriously reconsidering having children given the current and projected problems of society?

    Draw a line under that


    If you're not convinced by that, here's something published by the UN this year, and it should rightfully get people thinking...

    "Rather than focusing efforts on changing population numbers to meet the needs of economic systems, for example, countries should create economic systems that meet the needs of the population."

    Now, does economy economy economy economy remind you of our country? Is it breathlessly stated time and again? The gdp this, the windfall that.

    All WHILE every other facet of the country from housing to healthcare is in severe decline?


    That's right. We have a government that exists solely to increase population to solely create economy, née money. At the, evident, expense of all else.



    It's a pigs ear of a game. A dead end. A disaster. You can see it manifesting already.


    We need an economy that works for irish people. Again, evidently so, we don't have that.

    We do not need, and certainly do not want, artificial population growth to prop up an unbeneficial economy that diminishes society in the medium term. We're in the medium term, by the way.

    We don't need millions of extra people in the country. And if it is allowed happen, you'd rather not be living here or your children when it does, believe it.


    A vote on immigration immediately, and a complete retune of economic function after.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,270 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The problem is we shouldn’t have pro unlimited immigration vs zero immigration…

    we should have people talking about what needs to be done EU wide, to limit immigration when appropriate, when desired…. Get back to EVERYONE having control over their borders as relates to immigration…



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Are you currently residing in Ireland?

    As you call him Roddy did not tweet what you think he did and you got caught up with the spin and grifters you decided to follow on twitter. The tweet did not promise a house for anyone in 4 months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    Very well put. Ironically the government’s inability to build housing may actually avert this. Countries like Germany have the infrastructure to absorb the growth - Ireland doesn’t.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    youre getting boring now. You’re not going to answer me are you. Probably because you also baffled as to why he published that

    have you ever lived anywhere other than Ireland for a long period of time ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Not a word of your post made any sense to my reply. Sorry for boring you but that's on you.

    The minster did not tweet promising refugees their own house after 4 months that is a false statement.

    You claimed you do not live in this country so no idea why you are so passionate about the topic that does not effect you.

    Where I lived in the part has no bearing on this discussion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    Still banging on about one word are we. Still have no answer from you on your thoughts either way on those tweets.

    thats not a very inclusive post :( Next you’ll be saying if you don’t live in Ireland and haven’t had family roots here dating back to the book of kells you can’t comment.

    I want to know about your lived experience. Have you just lived in a bubble all your life and only know what the Irish times tells you about this topic or have you a more worldly, mature view.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I asked a very simple question are you living in Ireland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    The poster said they were born and bred here and as a citizen they have every right to question what is happening in their country and how do you know this issue does not affect them? Thats some assumption.

    Why are you quizzing them about where they live - what point are you trying to make?

    I too would like to know what was the reason that RO'G's department tweeted and issued extracts from the white paper in Albanian, Arabic, French, Georgian, Somali and Urdu.

    Maybe you could answer that as you seem to know a lot about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭minimary




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    A no cap policy by the government and the ngo organised welcome refugee rallies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    You again just mention two areas of employment Irish people do work in those jobs as I said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Own door accommodation after 4 months to someone in Albania or elsewhere could mean a house . We have seen the reality is a partition at best and unlkely to be achievable own tent accommodation more realistic.

    Program refugees eg Syrians did get housed in rental accommodation with rent paid typically after 4-5 months .


    Ukranian refugees are to get 200 modular homes these are most lkely to be extended in the future.


    Asylum seekers given International protection have rghts to social housing and rent with a hap payment same as Irish citizens .There are multiple ngo organisations to assist them.

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/refugee_status_and_leave_to_remain/rights_of_convention_programme_refugees_people_given_leave_to_remain.html#l6214b

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    I don’t know where some people live if they think that Irish people don’t do certain jobs.

    We have a lovely lady who comes over to clean the house weekly. When she’s back next Monday, I must let her know how extraordinary she is, in her line of work!



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