Tenant in situ scheme

Contact your local HAP department or TD for confirmation.

I am selling to the council. One of the stipulations was that it is vacant on the day of the sale. Anyone else ive heard of selling to the council has had that too.

My guess is that your arrangement is probably not part of the tenant-in-situ scheme.

My guess is that its extremely rare. At least I havent heard from anyone selling under it. And I know quiet a few landlords either selling at the moment or getting ready to sell.

No mine was empty. My sister had 2 apartments. Council made her several offers and made it clear they had to be empty, but she didnt go with them in the end. Her last tenants were both HAP.

From the government's website:

Increasing tenant in situ acquisitions

• in light of the challenges in addressing homelessness, combined with continuing exits from the private rental market, Government will continue to support opportunities for the acquisition of properties to prevent homelessness and will take further targeted measures to increase acquisitions of properties where a landlord is selling the property
• in April 2022, Government reinstated the delegated sanction to local authorities in respect of social housing acquisitions. The reinstatement of delegated sanction has allowed local authorities to respond with more flexibility to secure acquisitions which support a household to exit or to prevent homelessness
• Government will support local authorities to acquire at least 1,500 social homes in 2023 with a further expansion of that target as required. The majority of these will be focused on properties where landlords are exiting the market and there is already a social housing tenant in place
• the Department of Housing has written to each local authority to instruct them to target acquisitions on HAP or RAS tenants under a Notice to Quit, develop their own acquisition plan and seeking a report on acquisitions in train for 2023 which is due to be received by the end of March
• the Department of Housing is setting up a “Acquisition Delivery Team” to ensure each Local Authority meets its Tenant in situ purchase targets
• a cost rental tenant in situ backstop will be applied on an administrative basis from 1 April prior to legislative enactment with a view to supporting households at risk of homelessness

[source] (emphasis mine).

From this it looks like it is a scheme that was small scale in nature but is being ramped up to deal with issues around the ending of the ending of the no fault eviction ban.

So people's experience of having to evict when selling to the LA in the past probably don't apply here to the same extent.

Where is all these cash coming from that government is using to buy so many houses to house people? Is there an infinite money tree in their garden?

Taxpayers own money being used to sh!t on them.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-gave-my-landlord-notice-and-now-in-a-few-weeks-i-could-be-homeless-sale-agreed-homebuyers-told-houses-now-sold-to-single-purchaser-42402071.html

That was my next question 💰

Such a disaster... Imagine even in Co mayo they have shortage... Seriously who is this single buyer

Although you have it in the thread title, could I ask if you definitely heard the sale is part of the tenant-in-situ scheme and who did you hear it from? Was it the landlord or do you have confirmation from the LA?

I think it may have been one of these schemes that is in the gift of TDs but deliberately not well known outside until the recent decision to allow no fault evictions when the scheme started to be discussed in the media. I would not be surprised if many staff in the LAs aren't aware such a scheme exits and are therefore continuing to insist on vacant possession.

There's another much more widely published scheme for mortgage holders. If they can't pay the mortgage through no fault of their own then there's the mortgage-to-rent scheme.

Something like this is needed though if no fault evictions are to be allowed again in times of rental shortage, so that people can keep their homes.

Very understandable but you are looking at potential homelessness in the case of some people being asked to leave in the present climate. Exactly how the scheme works, who gets priority etc., I don't know because the information is very patchy.

Doesn't solve the overall housing problem which, in my opinion, is overall lack of units for purchase, rent at reasonable prices and as social homes. But in times of extreme shortage, the priority has to be to keep people in their homes.

Another scheme called mortgage-to-rent has been around a while and there's a lot more information on it. That scheme is for people who can't pay their mortgages.

The "in situ" scheme isn't even for people who can't pay their rent - they can - but are nevertheless being asked to leave so I suppose it is understandable that the Government are increasing the rental in situ scheme given there was not much outrage over the other one.

In order to make the tenant-in-situ scheme the equivalent of the mortgage-to-rent scheme they would have to extend it to people who can't pay their rent. Then, one might argue, it would be fairer.

Even if its a charity, its tax payers money. Really cruel on those people who thought they had finally got on the property ladder to have the rug pulled from under them using their own taxes.

I'd agree with Leo in that the homelessness stuff is overblown, many people could find alternative accommodation but they are not motivated to do so for various reasons. There are examples on another thread of someone not wanting to move home for a while or turning down places they don't like. The idea that you get to be fussy and have the state pay your rent doesn't sit well with me. They should prioritise families, but for single people or couples I'd offer emergency accommodation and stick to the existing social housing list in terms of who gets priority. I'd say over 90% of the HAP tenants faced with notices of termination wouldn't take them up on the emergency accom option, because they would find other options.

And since there are no consequences to not paying councils their rent it'll be a bigger mess when your local property tax is used to pay back the loans.

so i am LL looking to sell my property to the local CC, i would love this to happen for the tenants in situ, so i had to serve th NTQ, have had a structure inspection, and a EA was in on behalf of CC....

has anyone any experience of actually selling to the council and know how long or what else e will have to happen before they make an offer.

I've just agreed a sale with the council yesterday. We had contacted them in mid March with questions and they sent an expression of interest form. We had to get BER and independent valuation so it was heading towards mid May before we applied. They then asked us to get the tenants (who are there 11 years and have a tenancy termination notice date of October) to contact them, which I assume was to assess that they were suitable under the scheme. They contacted towards the end of June to organise separate surveyor and valuation visits three weeks ago. They came back last week with an offer €15000 below the independent market valuation. We immediately turned it down and the valuer came back just as quick with a €10000 increase in the offer. We thought about it over the weekend and named that we wouldn't accept less than the independent valuation and after it being progressed up somewhere in the council for approval, they offered that today. We had linked with the original auctioneer who valued it for advice in the interim and he felt that the valuation was still the same. Even if we had taken the risk and gone to the open market any potential increase would have been wiped out with auctioneers fees and the hassle/cost of getting house painted etc for selling- and the risk of tenant's overholding (as it will be impossible for them to something on the open market at the rent they've been paying). It's been a relatively smooth process so far but I assume that they won't be in a huge rush to complete now that the tenants are no longer at risk of becoming homeless.

I just recently heard this from someone who works for a LA, so I'd don't know if its an urban legend or 100% true, but anyway.

3 bedroom house. Tenants there for 12 years. The landlord put it up for sale, offered it to the council, but they wouldn't pay the price the seller wanted. There was a €5k shortfall. He told the tenants that he would sell on the open market instead. The tenants offered to pay him the shortfall €5k in cash, if he'd accept the council offer. He took it.

Has any tenant been successful with the council purchasing an apartment with a management fee in place ? Currently waiting to hear from council about landlords application. Also does anyone know what price caps are in place for the Dublin councils for a 1 bed apartment ?