Barbie Kardashian is in a women's prison. Taoiseach's response to questions on this are here..

Just to be absolutely clear about this, Barbie Kardashian is NOT "gaming the system".

The system, by design, has absolutely no effective built-in mechanism to stop a person from getting a GRC very easily with no checks and no requirements beyond a signed declaration, and then being recognised as the opposite sex in law.

There is a €2000 fine if a declaration is later deemed to have been falsely made, but there would be no way to prove a falsely made claim since the state puts no parameters on what it means to "live in the preferred gender". And no way to create one that would not invoke regressive stereotypes.

This is the system working as intended.

I'll ask you for a second time - quote the posts that state BK is proof that all transgender women are a threat to girls and women.

The system is working as intended in that it only provides for people who are transgender to be recognised as their preferred gender. This is in contrast to the previous system where people who are transgender did not have any legal recognition of their preferred gender and were not protected from discrimination on the grounds of gender. This meant they could be discriminated against in terms of housing, healthcare, education, employment, family and so on, areas where other people who weren’t transgender were already protected because they were recognised by the State and so had legal protections and rights and all the rest of it.

The checks and balances exist within the prison system in terms of fulfilling their legal obligations and responsibilities to ALL inmates with regard to their dignity, safety, privacy, security and so on. It’s why in this case in the UK, the MOJ were found to have failed to prevent systematic breaches of inmates human rights -

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) failed to prevent systemic breaches of inmates human rights when they were unlawfully strip searched at a privately-run jail.

The searches involved four inmates at HMP Peterborough in 2017, including one inmate who was menstruating. 

Sodexo runs the prison and admitted it had breached MoJ privacy rules through its failure to properly train staff.

The MoJ should have had effective safeguards in place against privacy breaches, the High Court has ruled.

The inmates involved in the strip searches in July and September 2017 were three women and a transgender prisoner, who was transitioning from female to male.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47334760.amp

Checks and balances ARE working in this case though, because the person at the centre of this case is being held in isolation in prison and is being constantly monitored. My post was In reference to the purpose of the GRC system, and making the point that the checks and balances are in the prison system.

You appear to want it both ways with regard to the Tavistock - on the one hand you’ll accept their clinical determinations when the outcome suits you, and you’ll question their practices when the outcomes don’t suit yourself. You can’t rely on the Tavistock as an authority when it suits, and dismiss them when it doesn’t.

But either way, the opinions of clinicians in Tavistock has no bearing on whether or not anyone is entitled to apply for a GRC in Ireland. Tavistock are a clinic where children are seen for issues with their gender identity. The fact that clinicians determined the individual in question didn’t meet the criteria for a diagnosis of gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria or anything else is only relevant if they were applying for a GRC in the UK where a clinical diagnosis is required in order to apply for a GRC, and it also contradicts any claims too that the Tavistock were pushing children into the idea!

Previous criminal convictions wouldn’t automatically prohibit anyone from applying for a GRC, nor would it mean an immediate rejection, which the Minister is entitled to do under Sections 8 and 9 of the Act where the applicant must provide evidence that they meet the criteria under which they are entitled to apply for a GRC, and the Minister can seek more information from the applicant if they choose to, and can reject an application if they choose to, and provide the applicant with a reason for the rejection of their application. The idea that there are no checks and balances at all, is clearly nonsense.

Exactly. I have no strong views on this, but it seems to me that a vocal minority are shutting down debate at every turn. Even discussing this issue triggers accusations of phobia, ‘unpleasant’ etc. Great stuff altogether.

I think there are definitely similar features:

• Fear and disgust leads to a strong emotional reaction that is disproportionate to how much it is likely to ever affect the people having those reactions.
• People are more afraid of sexual crimes committed by the group than they are of the exact same ones committed by "normal" people. This one often comes with loaded questions: "why do you not want children to be safe? Why do you hate marriage? Why are you in favor of sexual hedonism?" etc and so on.
• People show fear of societal erosion caused by allowing the group equal rights and visibility, even though the group is generally in the minority, sometimes even a tiny minority! Often this comes with slippery slope arguments.
• People feel oppressed if they face opposition when they express these views, because they used to be uncontroversial during their formative years and now they are beginning to not be.

Just to name a few obvious ones you can find littered all over this thread.

Bad week for progressives.

The push back against Barbie Kardashian incident and the protecting of women athletes.

Women are not the danger, they are in danger.

There is a point that’s missed here. There is no “right” to use a bathroom in a private setting. Access is entirely at the owners discretion and the sign on the door is indicative only and has no basis in law

I do think you a quite a confused individual if you believe all “progressives” are only interested in trans issues, or for that matter if you believe all progressives believe this individual should be accommodated in the general population of a woman’s prison or if you believe all progressives believe trans women should always be allowed compete on a equal footing with biological women in sport.

Or is this yet another example of pushing the extreme view as being representative of everyone’s view in an attempt to discredit through association and misrepresentation?

"They" strike again!

You see the problem is that they have a reality and I have a reality, but their reality is different from mine and seems to have more rights than mine which has existed for millennia.

I have kids , one going into first year soon. The junior cert class will be fun as he says the reality he knows to be true.

Btw, wet stuff is pelting down from the clouds but I've decided to call it sunshine.

But seriously, if we think the world is going to get better, it won't.Things will only get worse and worse with those of us who know the truth being thrown into prison.

Gays, women, what's next? Africans? Native Americans? You really seem to be playing minority bingo, even though the comparisons are not one bit alike.

On the contrary, there are some striking similarities. I have listed a few earlier that you can look at and and respond to if you like.