Barbie Kardashian is in a women's prison. Taoiseach's response to questions on this are here..

Not at all, I am being very specific, and I am making a very specific point: that a lot of the arguments used are in fact emotional ones, rationalized in the same way the arguments in my examples are. For instance, the argument here was that the non-existence of trans people is just self-evident reality. I pointed out that the same was said regarding women's rights.

If you disagree with this, can you point out what part you think is incorrect and why?

Not in experience no

For me, personally, it is not any particular author or case.

It is just that I know some trans people, and they tell me that they would like to be allowed to act like they feel suits who they feel they are. I mean they are them, so they should know. And really they aren't asking for a whole lot. Society doesn't need to make THAT much of an accommodation.

And that is sort of good enough for me, if that makes sense?

Nope, this is greatest crisis of our times, check twitter for proof.

All Trans people want to do is hide in bathroom stalls and jump out and rape you.

Again, see Twitter.

You have to admit though - the reaction against any sort of mention of trans rights is pretty intense. That dial just seems to go straight to 11 every time. Just look at the OP for this thread.

Agree with the pragmatic being nice to your neighbour approach, that is how most of us live our daily lives. However you can sincerely empathise with any individual's circumstance without reaching a conclusion that the world needs to be rearranged! 

That conclusion in our particular scenario here is that the millenia-old survival-of-the-fittest segmentation of society into male/female (loos, sports, prisons, changing rooms) is no longer appropriate. That is a radical idea with far-reaching implications.

Does anyone on here know which living person is presenting this argument most convincingly? Genuine question, I want to read their work.   

Central to this is that this person is in a women's prison because this person has a gender cert/identifies as female.

So if you don't want to deal with the point, why bother comment.

Are you so insecure in your point of view that you just try to ridicule the people making an argument that you disagree rather than actually attempt to address the subject?

@One eyed Jack

It’s also important to point out that the individual in this case was not considered to be experiencing any form of significant mental illness, at least not in 2018/2019 when a hearing for an appeal of a special care order granted to the CFA (now Tusla), was heard, and it was recommended in a letter from Harry Kennedy (Clinical director at CMH) that they be placed in a facility other than a hospital -

So when were they diagnosed with significant mental illness, being apparently they don't belong in a prison or hospital,

So we have to wait for another victim of a sexual assault or murder before someone says we were wrong.

I've been aware for years this person suffers from serious mental health issues just from reading the numerous Court cases they have been involved in since the first sexual assault case when they were 13 ,.

Not at all: you see, the moment bigotry of any kind is alleged, as you just did, then that means that the party doing the alleging is now guilty of silencing whomever they are accusing of bigotry. They are shutting down the debate in this way. They do it in order to push through their agenda, you see.

I do not know why, because as you may have noticed it seems to just play into the hands of the people being accused of bigotry. They get a sort of get out of jail free card: suddenly there is no sort of onus on them to refrain from being bigots. I am not sure why this is, but there you have it. I don't make the rules.

But unfortunately it does mean you are now guilty of shutting down the debate, silencing, and of being against free speech.

Being respectful of trans people and their right to live freely as they wish isn't something any reasonable person takes issue with.

There is it would seem, some individuals who may be seeking to take advantage of society's willingness to take a welcoming stance towards trans people. I believe the individual in question on this thread may well be one such person and I do not believe that they should be afforded the rights and freedoms that society rightly allows genuine trans persons, they had a storied history of psychological issues before they decided to change their gender and their history of violent conduct towards women should have been considered by somebody in relation to their new gender identity.

This individual has a well documented history of extreme violence towards women as well as having ideations centred around rape, extreme sexual violence and murder of women, namely their own mother. To not take this history of behaviour into account when sending this person to an all female environment is ludicrous.

I would never go out of my way to upset a trans person by referring to them in a manner they would find inaccurate or insulting but in this instance the idea that misgendering this person is something we should be preoccupying ourselves with in order to not be seen as transphobic is a bit much. I honestly believe this person is dangerous predator who is using gender identity as a means of gaining access to victims. And to clarify that is most certainly not the motivation for all trans people but in this case it seems to be the most likely scenario.

This person is not psychologically stable and will likely always pose a severe threat to women. They are also not representative of trans people in general and nobody is suggesting they are but they are not a rock any reasonable trans activist should be choosing to die on.

Like what exactly? Can we have a concrete example to examine?

EDIT: sorry, I mean an example of outlandish language or renaming something.

A load of nonsense

Like I said earlier in this thread, the examples of abuse that lead to women being harmed, will be viewed as being worth it in the name of the whole. The feelings of the majority of trans women are worth more than the suffering of the minority of women who'll be harmed. That's their outlook, and it's the same on nearly every other comparative topic. Essentially, they don't care once they get their way.