The Kerry Babies Case

DNA doesnt hide any secrets. Alot of families are finding out secret relations from years and generations back through DNA. Children born outside of marriage and adopted, children born from affairs etc.

The fact that this couple remained quiet all these years knowing that another woman was being put through hell is criminal. Thats whats hard to understand - its hard to have compassion for them. Even if they didnt kill the baby themselves - the woman in the couple definitely knew she had a baby at that time and it disappeared. How they could sit back and watch Joanne Hayes go through what she did? They even stayed in the Kerry area. Its shocking.

Obviously you are in different whatsapp groups than i am.

Yes there are the official groups where its club business only, but most clubs have splinter whatsapps too there people can be a bit more, shall we say, less restrained with what they post to each other. Not everyone would be invited into these that might be in the official group, especially if they were sensitive souls. Its the same with childrens class groups. You would have the regular one and then one without the teacher or the parents who were friends with the teacher, mostly so everyone else can have a moan about the teacher or the school :)

People are malicious gossip mongers, giving absolutely no thought to extended members of the family who would have nothing to do with this case, younger members of the family who will be affected and ignoring the fact that, as yet, no charges have been made and the full facts have yet to be estaished . People are creaming themselves with utter glee at the chance to rubber neck and spread "news" of what they've been told by someone who told them something told by someone else. As grown adults, do they really think they are showing respect to a murdered innocent by behaving like this? And before you lecture me on how Kerry people are, I am one, I live here and I haven't heard anyone try to mention who they are. Most of us over a certain age remember well the public hounding of the Hayes family and similar horsesh1t stories doing the rounds about them and don't want to repeat that. Let the law, and the courts deal with this and show that poor baba some respect.

And how do you feel about what Joanne Hayes was put through?

Well the guards standing outside the house is on the public road so nothing strange that somebody might take a photograph.

Pretty grim. Says a lot about the photographer and the people forwarding it on. None of it good.

Ah would you stop. Every time there's a crime scene it's on RTE or the local media or whatever, it's common practice.

Same with car crashes recently people sharing pictures of the dead people in cars etc.

The fact that John's grave was vandalised multiple times down through the years shows that there was at least one seriously disturbed/affected person out there at the time.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20466038.html

Its not so much that they couldnt cope with a baby. Its understandable given how ireland was at the time that they may not have been able to go through with raising the could out of wedlock etc.

The baby was stabbed 28 times and thrown into the sea. An innocent woman was let carry the can. It seems even now that self preservation is the most important thing.

Yes none of us know what they were going through i get that. But that kid shouldnt have been treated like that.

there was no such thing as mental health back then so theres no way the mother should be held responsilbe especially after all these years

In the meantime, their home in south Kerry remains part of a crime scene investigation.

As a result, they have to stay with friends and relatives until detectives give them permission to return.

It has been reported that a DNA sample was taken from a bin, which led to the two arrests at 7.30pm on Thursday evening.

Asked about this, Mr O’Connell said: “My clients are waiting for due process to take its course and for people not to jump to any conclusions.

“The gardaí had to come up with something from somebody somewhere to get the authority to arrest them.

“But arresting somebody on the basis of DNA is totally different to arresting somebody on suspicion of murder.

It is hard to fathom how the mother who had the baby John got away with never have been a suspect instead the murder squad concentrate on suspect pregnant mom JH 75 km away .For this to take 39 years to come to light when the suspected family were living all along in the locality of Baby John is some garda fuk up

What sort of a murder squad had we back then?

You speak for yourself. If the news is circulating so freely round the county as is claimed I wouldn't have to come here for it. People are acting as judge, jury and executioner and loving it. That is a reflection on them. If you don't like it being pointed out to you that others find that kind of behaviour distasteful in the extreme, that's your problem. If you don't realise that sharing that kind of information could jeopardise any case and the hope for justice for Baby John and his story finally being known, then you need to educate yourself. But maybe, that's not what interests you. You want the scandal and the chance to insert yourself into the drama by being someone who can spread some bit if info.

Tell me, how would you feel if a family member was implicated in a historical crime that you had nothing to do with and details of your family, home and children, workplace were being shared over social media?