What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

I got a similar spiel from a local merchant..they agree on a volume of fertilizer they will take and then it is priced weekly apparently..in fairness he even made it sound believable as he said it at the time..funnily enough that doesn't seem to be the case this year as he's still north of 750/ton for everything.

25kg of urea to the acre on your grazing ground be ideal,18.6.12 is a good all round fertilizer for lower indexes without seeing soil sample results or the ground itself

An accountant bis an accountant. A farmer is a farmer. A business man is a businessman man. A trader is a trader. While sometimes the skillset are transferable it's not always the case.

I never saw the case for buying fertlizer last year. The question I always ask people is '' when fertlizer was cheap( urea @350, Can @ 230) did you buy the next year's supply, because if you did not WTF would you forward buy at 1k+/ ton''

It's easy to talk now. No harm getting a few extra pallets of fertilizer last year. With milk dropping it will cut a bit of cost this year. And who knows. What will happen this year yet with Putin shifting his nuclear missiles west the road. This time three years we were in the middle of a lock down. Last June we were told we could only buy up to a limit.

So it's amazing how you know everything. I enjoy your posts. They irritate me but in a kind of good way

I got a list of inputs such as lime, fert etc that I bought, put new tyres on the tractor. Are lads spreading atm, looks like heavy rain midweek or are they waiting. Haven't gone yet due to weather

Excellent synopsis there apps

I would hazard a guess and say fertiliser price would be still high and gas price would be still high if Europe didn't experience the abnormally mild winter they got, the EU can thank their lucky stars it wasn't harsh. I still stand by my decision to buy half last October, if a harsh or even normal winter came in Europe thi gs would have been a whole lot different.

Gas price and security for the EU this winter will be a shitshow IMO. Don't know where the extra LNG will come from to fill the storage and at what cost.

Bass is probably buying a couple of pallets of fertilizer in the year while the lads here forward buying would be looking at a couple of artic loads. Not much good Bass telling us here now oops I got that one wrong if fertilizer was scarce now. As alps said, peace of mind is worth alot. And the reason we didn't forward buy when fertilizer was cheap was because we were in a stable market, there was no need to.

Its easy be wise in hindsight. Only use 6 or 7 ton here a year but still got a pallet last Autumn to have for first round of grazing. Better to be looking at it than for it. The extra cost is not going to put me out on the side of the road, but I would be having a sweat now if it was difficult to get. I can sit back now and wait a few more weeks for it to drop further while those that didnt buy last Autumn will soo have to buy. It will nearly balance itself out

Ya I am. Most here are probably are. A 50 acre farm and a house are probably worth over a million nowadays. Being a millionaire is quite common nowadays. Nearly a quarter of a million households are worth a million+

The larger buyer will always do better in any market. If supply is scarce he will get supplied first. At present he is buying at least 100+/ ton less than me.

As Warren Buffet says when ever the sales are on in markets nobody buys but when stocks are expensive everyone wants them. There is no such thing as a stable market. The market was not stable when fertlizer was low in price two years ago. Fertlizer prices were falling and we had a situation where they fell out 100/ ton in twelve months to a new 10 year market low. That is not stability

The lad buying a couple of artic's is looking at anything from 25-35k of a mistake. Ask the lads that had fixed price milk contracts about peace of mind. Fixing one part of you input or output is seriously stupid.

Ya if tax is the reason then buy because of that. I did that once or twice but when fertlizer were at low prices not at historically high prices.

Hindsight is 20/20 vision. Hindsight last autumn would tell you fixing an input without fixing a section of the output price was a serious risk. If you can fix one and hedge the other then yes do it. If you cannot it's gambling not risk reduction. I pointed that out as well when this rise it head last autumn.

I would not consider it fraud. If the revenue wanted to clamp down on it they would have done it years ago similar to lads adjusting stock number values to help with a tax ssue in the long-term.

How does the importation/haulage cost and duties work out for that type of a purchase.

700 for a ton of Urea in the west. That's down 150 quid in three weeks.

I normally buy a load or 2 for the following year if it looks cheap. First year I got caught really, at least by May when I need more it will have came back even more. One thing I hated about being a sole trader is having to buy those amounts in December when the money mightnt be there for tax. Company structure hopefully will make it easier to make those decisions