Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

The issue in Ireland is a housing one not an immigration one. There are not enough people here to do are the jobs being created here. If we dont have immigration the overall standard of living and economic development of the country will deteriorate. The country is massively unpopulated for the level of economic activity. We need to prepare for a country of 7-8 million and an island of close to 10. We just need to sort out the housing supply through immediate and long term infrastructure investments.

If immigration was stopped there would be massive shortages of unskilled workers, services provided by those industries would be impacted. No one to work in the restaurants and cafes, no one to pick the fruit, no one to work in meat plants, no one to clean the offices etc, because Irish people generally wont do those jobs. Then the higher skilled workers that depend on those jobs would be under threat. And Irish people would be left with a choice, take the lower skilled work that's left or leave like we used to have to do when the country was stagnating.

There is a housing crisis because 15 years ago the construction industry was mothballed for the best part of a decade with governments too caught up in short term thinking to do anything about it, not because people arrived here to do necessary work.

I feel I need to point out once more what I was replying to:

I just dont understand why it is acceptable for Africans and Asians etc to come to Europe and economically exploit Europeans

Where does that mention Ireland?

Its not about white guilt. Its about real socio-economic factors caused over many centuries that has created an environment where people feel they need to look elsewhere to make a better life. Just like the many Europeans who did not benefit from the exploitation of the globe who went to america in the 19th and first half of the 20th century. The idea that Europeans are being economically exploited is laughable.

Now do tell why would Africans and Asians want to come to Ireland? Is it because its a kip as people here would have you believe? Is it because life in direct provision is glorious as some would have us believe? Or is it because it presents opportunities to better their lives?

If we really decide we dont want immigration, the best way to do this is by improving the conditions in the countries where people come from to make the decision to stay easier - eg. what happened in Ireland. A closed door immigration policy which does nothing to address the reasons people seek a better life elsewhere is finger in the dam type stuff. Humans have always and will always gravitate towards where conditions are better when faced with hardship

Ireland before immigration was a depressing and miserable place, with huge numbers of people leaving the country. One million left Ireland in the 1950s and many hundreds of thousands in the 1980s. Those versions of Ireland also had large sections of the population who didn't leave caught in the poverty trap.

David McWilliams strongly challenges the narrative that immigration is bad for a country economically and has published many stats to back up his point. For sure, there is a severe housing crisis but that has been caused by government ineptitude and bad planning over the last 15-20 years. Also, there are housing crises all over Europe at the moment....many European cities have run into similar problems as ourselves.

You said in your earlier post that pre-immigration 'Irish people did all of the jobs in Ireland'. That alone tells us that there is no going back to that era. What person with a degree or a good Leaving Cert would want to work in a meat factory, or on a bin lorry, or in a food processing plant or as a cleaner in 2023 (when many of their peers and classmates might be working in an office or high tech industry)? The Ireland of the 1950s is gone....no amount of wishful thinking will bring it back.

The anger should be directed at the lack of action on housing. Not against people trying to find a better life

You talk of squashed tenements - if the population doubled we would still be at 1/3 that of the Netherlands. We have the room. Just not the infrastructure.

Also, the jobs that immigrants are doing are in support functions to the larger industries. You can’t offshore the cleaner, the bin man, the waiter etc.

If our population doubled we'd be at 57% of the Netherlands population.

We'll have the room when our population accepts the need for building high density, possible high rise developments. And are happy for money to be spent on the infrastructure that these developments would need. As it stands our society just isn't mature enough for that.

We seem to want migrants, but not build the houses/apartments for them to live in.