Barbie Kardashian is in a women's prison. Taoiseach's response to questions on this are here..

I hope Barbie K doesn't get pregnant. I hear the IPS is putting men into women prisons.

It was a transman (a female identifying as male) I believe.

Testosterone causes aggression. Not sure if this female murderer was taking it.

Doesn't seem very relevant to this particular thread, anyway.

Science on the effects of hormones on various systems has moved on since 2007. Nonetheless, I encourage people to read Jack's linked article, which points out that indeed there is a link between testosterone levels and aggression.

You might also read this systematic review from 2020, specifically about trans-identifying females, which concluded that "gender-affirming testosterone therapy could have a short-term impact on aggression-related constructs".

Or this study, from 2017, which concludes: "This study demonstrates that during 7 months of continuous gender-affirming hormonal treatment, anger expression and anger arousal control increased in transmen."

G'night.

You’re supposed to have me on ignore 😳

Anyways, before I even read them, I can tell you that synthetic hormones don’t have the same effects as naturally occurring hormones in the human body. Testosterone does not cause aggression, it’s a popular myth, nothing more.

The piece I quoted was an opinion on previous research conducted. If you’d wanted more evidence to refute the claim that testosterone causes aggression, there’s plenty of it exists -

All the above studies have methodological limitations because of the small number of subjects and samples. More creditability comes from a large survey conducted on 4179 normal men which showed higher normal values in subjects with aggressive personality or antisocial conduct. It is of interest, however, that the administration of high doses of testosterone in normal men had no effect on the self reported aggression scores of the subjects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/

Moreover the study shows that the popular wisdom that the hormone causes aggression is apparently deeply entrenched: those test subjects who believed they had received the testosterone compound and not the placebo stood out with their conspicuously unfair offers. It is possible that these persons exploited the popular wisdom to legitimate their unfair actions. Economist Michael Naef states: "It appears that it is not testosterone itself that induces aggressiveness, but rather the myth surrounding the hormone. In a society where qualities and manners of behavior are increasingly traced to biological causes and thereby partly legitimated, this should make us sit up and take notice." The study clearly demonstrates the influence of both social as well as biological factors on human behavior.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091208132241.htm

Suggesting that a single hormone is responsible for an observed behaviour is nothing more complex than simple backwards rationalisation - man is aggressive, men produce testosterone, therefore testosterone is responsible for aggression in men. It’s an association fallacy.

By that same token, oestrogens (or for that matter testosterone), in women, doesn’t cause them to be aggressive either. There is no single hormone responsible for aggression, and no single hormone that mediates aggressive behaviour in humans -

Aggression is a complex social behavior that has been extensively studied in men. Comparatively, women’s aggression has been neglected. We suggest that there is a need for more theory-driven research in the investigation of aggression in women. Such work could contribute to the development of more effective evidence-based treatments that target gender-specific risks for aggression.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5942158/

Also related to the whole effects of hormones on the human body is the whole “soy boys” myth, and that’s all it is, a myth, a popular belief that isn’t supported by scientific research and evidence -

It’s a quip that would drift through my high school cafeteria whenever I’d pick up vanilla soymilk to have with my lunch: “I can’t drink that,” male friends would say, “It’ll give me boobs.”

This reaction seems to be rooted in a twist of fear and misunderstood science. There’s the fear of being seen as feminine — soymilk being the womanly choice compared to traditional milk — and concern over how plant-based estrogen (isoflavones) found in soy interacts with our bodies own estrogen or testosterone. It’s also where the phrase “soy boy” stems from: a pejorative used to describe men lacking masculine characteristics. 

Unlike many of the myths we debunk (such as whether or not coffee stunts growth) where the answers are cut and clear, the science of soy and what exactly it does to our bodies is still under hot debate by scientists.

https://www.inverse.com/science/does-soy-give-men-breasts-science-debunks/amp

For what it’s worth, enlarged breast tissue is an often unwanted side effect of TRT (we’ve all heard of HRT in women, not so much TRT in men) -

https://www.regenxhealth.com/amp/gynecomastia-in-men-on-testosterone-therapy

Speaking of HRT in women, TRT in women is probably not as widely known, definitely not as well understood, and far more controversial -

https://thebms.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/08-BMS-TfC-Testosterone-replacement-in-menopause-DEC2022-A.pdf

@CGI_Livia_Soprano Do you feel Barbie Kardashian may be using gender identity in a less than honest fashion as a means of accessing potential victims?

I don't know, nobody can say for sure.

The experts who have interviewed her have said she's not genuinely transgender .

But according to you she's a real woman just like anyone's mother,

An opinion, yes. But that's all it will ever be. Nobody can say for certain that BK really considers herself a woman or not because nobody can read her mind. All the rest of it is speculation, opinions etc. I'm not interested in metaphysical debates or guesswork. I live in the real world and only there.

Your opinion is all you were asked for, in the same way as you were able to give your opinion that the individual in question poses a danger to others particularly women and other people who are transgender, and there’s probably not a person on the planet would say otherwise. That’s some damn fine looking metaphysical musings and guesswork on your part, while making the point at the same time that you’re not interested in metaphysical debates or guesswork! 😳

If that was her motivation then it hasn't worked. There is absolutely no way that BK will be placed in the general population in a women's prison.

It has worked, clearly, because they’re now the centre of attention literally 24/7, they never wanted access to the general public, nor the general population in prison. What they want is a captive audience all to themselves, and they’ve got it, and when they’re released, it’s quite likely that given they have grown up in incarceration, they’re not in any way adjusted to living a normal life, and they’ll want to go back to the environment and surroundings they’re familiar with. That was the whole point of the special care order sought by the CFA before this individual aged out of the system - to see was there any possible hope of making a breakthrough in their care. The individual in question doesn’t appear to be at all interested in rehabilitation, their only motivation appears to be attention seeking.

They’re essentially more of a danger to themselves than they are to anyone else, and locking them up appears to be more for their own safety than anyone else’s, while at the same time having to adhere to human rights principles and standards given the authorities still have to recognise that they are dealing with a human being, much as they might not want to.

What does Aileen Wuornos or the previously referenced (by you) Myra Hindley have to do with BK or this issue?

I am genuinely confused why these women would be brought into a discussion about violent men masquerading as women being housed in a women's prison so please, enlighten me why you've brought them up.

So there we have it nobody can say for sure if he thinks he is a women because nobody can read his mind.

So basically any man that wants access to women's spaces can freely do so.

I don't believe this person is reflective of the trans community.

But this case highlights how dangerous this law is for women and why it needs to be scrapped.

Let's hope this makes the public aware of this ridiculous law and the government is forced to do something about it.

Let's hope this doesn't raise awareness to predators who now know they can say they are a women to get access to women's spaces.

"Some women throughout history have been violent monsters themselves, that violent people can be violent regardless of their sex, gender, and genitals"

Ya see, this is nothing put pure and utter obfuscation and has nothing, literally nothing to do with the topic at hand because that has never been up for debate. Its a similar tactic used by the same group of people across all threads of this nature on this site. When common sense and reality cannot be avoided, muddy the water with irrelevant rubbish. Pathetic and indicative of the house of cards the views are built on.

I seriously doubt anyone with the minimun number of active brain cells required to be sentient thinks that BK is any way representative of transwomen. If they were, we would certainly know about it. The nonsense and deflection used to imply the opposite is amusing.

If acknowledging the risk posed to women by BK is transphobia, then refusing to acknowledge it is surely misogyny?

You are using hypothetical deliberately sensationalist scenarios in an attempt to get a "gotcha". Its beyond pathetic.

I am using an extreme scenario which all laws should take into account.

Can a predator use this law to access women's safe places, the answer is yes.

Does this law open the possibility of women being assaulted by predators, the answer is yes.

Should predators have the possibility of just signing a piece of paper to enter womens safe spaces.

The answer is no.

What is pathetic is you can't answer the question because you don't like the answer.

Well if no one is denying BK is a risk why are so many of us being accused of transphobia for suggesting it highlights the need for the safeguarding of women? BK is not unique, a minority of tranwomen have committed sexual assaults and rape.