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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I live in Ireland and I'm just totting them up in my head and there's 16 gun dealers within an hour or so of me here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    But I imagine procuring a firearm from them for any jane or jimmy angerdanger is an entirely different animal to the US?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I live in Ireland too, and just totting them up in my head there are several gun dealers in my local area. They wouldn’t be the type that’d be licensed though, so we’re unlikely to be talking about the same group of people 🤔

    The point the article was making though, and the point that surprised me, was the five local gun STORES. Not dealers, stores. I knew places like Walmart sell firearms and what not, but five gun stores in the one area?

    And there doesn’t appear to be any real will to tackle the issues which lead to these opportunities to go on murderous rampages. I still say it’s not the guns are the issue, it’s people’s attitudes to guns and gun safety is the issue - parents who don’t know what their children are doing, and would deny it to themselves even if they did; gun store owners who have businesses to run and are in business to make profits, and politicians who dole out platitudes like they’re actually making a difference.

    Will this latest incident make people cop onto themselves? Of course not, not when they can blame guns, mental health, etc, anything and anyone else but the person who is ultimately responsible for committing murder, and the whole culture which not only enables, but facilitates them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    i,m not an expert but if a woman identifys as a male ,dress,s as a male the lgbt community would regard her as transgender .

    theres no signs of strict regulation on guns or automatic weapons being passed in the senate or congress .

    i,t seems to me there should be strict security on all schools. eg steel doors ,bulletproof glass at the exits and entrance doors to all schools in america with armed security gaurds on duty from 8am till closing time ,eg so no person armed or not can gain entry without permission,

    otherwise there will be more school shootings every year.she was able to walk into a school with a rifle in her hand .since theres no chance of more gun control in america at least technology can provide a solution. sensors and metal detectors can detect if a person is carrying weapons into a building.its expensive but the american government spends billions on military weapons and the army ,navy, they can afford to spend a hundred million improving security in schools



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Oh 'Merica, you'll never change... Excellent response by the cops, and released to prevent any (probably guaranteed) protests from starting. Right decision imo, even if it's horrible for the loved ones of that child in it. But excellent to see the quick and accurate actions of the cops involved. Then again, the shooter made it easy by firing out a window alerting them to her exact position and getting blindsided. Not the smartest tool in the shed, then again, how smart can someone be if they think shooting kids is ok...

    Mad country. We all know what should be done to curb this, but it won't happen anytime soon. As someone else said, we'll have to wait for all the kids who have been practicing active shooter drills to grow up and into politics before we'll see some proper change.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 344 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Listen, I get banned from most trans topic threads for being “transphobic”.

    But I was quite surprised to see this being reported as a trans person. I don’t see why it matters. It is pure speculation to link them being trans to being some way the cause of their crime.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    F*ck that. Plenty of POS have shot up schools and weren't transgender.

    Absolute scum of the Earth saying this is something to do with being trans.

    There is an active domestic terrorist organisation within the US which is paying off politicians to ensure these acts can still happen, and yet here you are blaming the trans community.

    Man, woman, trans, anyone shooting up a school is trash and they're being enabled by domestic terrorists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Not sure what definition you are applying to dealers and stores however in Ireland a gun dealer or RDF, registered firearms dealer are pretty common. Meaning within 15 mins of my house there are three shops I can buy guns in.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Since before columbine schools have increasingly become prisons in form. It hasn't efficiently nor effectively reduced shootings and based on the last few elections what it's actually done is raised an entire generation of Americans deeply resentful of their school shooting drills and vs. guns and the madness of the likes of the NRA. It also helped lead a huge nationwide push more more privitization of schools, potentially including Covenant, the school here, which was founded back in 1985. It reportedly had somewhat weaker security than other schools in the Nashville area and police report that is why it was targeted by the shooter.

    There aren't enough locked doors or panes of bulletproof glass or 'good guys with guns' to render null the threat posed by school shootings. Had they strengthened security at this school, another could have easily been picked through some other vulnerability.

    There's dead kids here, and when Graham saw the body camera all he said was

    'only 3 dead kids and 3 dead adults? The system works then! What's for dinner?'



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,203 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    America has a massive mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nope.

    There's also a gun problem disguised as a mental health problem though.

    ;)

    Australians didn't radically improve their mental health overnight, they got rid of the guns people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Anyone fùckwit who thinks it's OK to shoot up a school is both evil and mentally ill.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    See, that's the narrative I dreaded from the right when the news broke all over about the identity of the killer. And oh man Marge delivered.

    And she's been banned for it. By Twitter. Nice of them, but given Elon's dithering with the right he might unsuspend her who knows.

    As for this TRAN group, I question how real it is outside of twitter or their .org site. Google Trends showed no activity for searches for it prior to yesterday. They apparently formed last summer, their WHOIS for their .org indicated they're based in Canada and it's run through some kind of shell company/privacy broker named Contact Privacy, Incorporated, the Customer no. is 0164742919.

    https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup



    It has the trappings of stupid chicanery like the DC truckers protest or people who thought John F Kennedy Jr was going to come back to life in Dallas and make Trump the new president - yeah, a lot of people shared tweets about that too. Thousands. But angels don't get their wings when bells ring and JFK doesn't come back from the dead over 10k retweets, and I don't think this alleged (and purposefully vague) "Day of Vengeance" is much more than a rightwing sockpuppet account on social media trying to rekindle 'the good old days' when there were street battles daily between extremists on the left like Antifa (who marge tries to pin here by name) and extremists on the right like the Proud Boys. No matter how many bots retweet this 'day of vengeance' post(s) on twitter I don't think they're actually all that real, to be perfectly honest.

    The post they wrote predates this school shooting anyway, and is unrelated as far as I can tell. Their twitter account's visibility is followers only and only has 306 tweets total and in a bot-rich environment has barely 400 followers.

    and their facebook presence, established last summer, shows abysmal signs of organic growth too:

    And the actual post calling for this violence has pitiful engagement - it's 11 days old, has 7 comments, 2 shares, and 2 laugh reacts. And that post is a share of a post that has 8 other shares and 14 reacts.

    Iit just seems illogical and incongruent for the right, if they claim not to support this, and this definitely isn't sockpuppetry they are putting out themselves, to amplify their messages. I have even seen their posts shared on this thread by people trying to denounce/react to them. You would have had to really scour the internet to find these people but somehow Marge and all did. Huh.

    But most interestingly, the numbers don't add up for anyone having to worry about a 'day of vengeance' - especially on April 1. watch it basically not happen and then Marge et al 'take credit' for 'thwarting' it.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It also has a massive problem with domestic terrorism disguised as 'a lobby'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,303 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Automatic weapons are highly regulated and have been for years, in the US and everywhere.

    Firearms are legal in Australia. To a wider extent that Ireland FWIW.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Not surprised to see certain corners obsessed with the smallest of things.

    Here's what Biden actually said about the shooting after warming up a room brought there and previously scheduled to be there for matters entirely unrelated to yesterday's shooting in Nashville. It was the Small Business Administration’s Women’s Business Summit.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Are we now going to start threads on all mass shootings in america and name them based on the ethnicity/ gender identity of the shooter? Man this site is obsessed about trans people even if they represent such a small percentage of the population.

    I think america has a culture problem of bad people willing to express their anger - frustration in killing other americands but not sure it should be classed as a mental health problem similar to those that commit spousal abuse or other crimes are not automatically classed as suffering from a mental illness.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,672 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Can we please change the thread title? It has been confirmed at this stage that the police initially misgendered Hale and he identifies as a man. So if we're going to insist on bringing gender identity into this, he's a trans man, not a trans woman.

    Nashville school shooter had seven guns hidden at parents' house https://jrnl.ie/6031696

    Also, are people seriously trying to claim with a straight face that firearms are easily obtained in Ireland purely based on the number of dealers in business??? Please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    The "trans" issue is going to be the 2020s version of computer games, violent movies, anti depressants etc. It's the guns, each and every time, it's the guns.....



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 23,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @y0ssar1an22 do not post in this thread again



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,742 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Its people with mental illness with accessibility to guns ,

    People say tongue in cheek to get a reaction There are 2 genders & loads of mental illness but those people won't be surprised to see a rise in school shooters with Gender identification situations

    Recent mass School shooting in Colorado , Denver , Aberdeen & Nashville where all done by people with recent gender identification changes ,

    Take into account how small that section of the population is in school % wise & you can see that is a massive issue that people will be afraid to speak about ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Nobody has called antidepressants and antipsychotics the culprit as such.

    People like me have just asked for this to be investigated, and no one will investigate it.

    These drugs alter your brain chemistry and have been known to trigger suicides. It is obvious they deserve scrutiny and we should be trying to find out whether they play a role in violent attacks. (Recreational narcotics also)

    To people on this thread:

    Be honest, do you even want to know what is behind these massacres really?

    Or do you just want to be a ditto-head for liberal opinion, which means agitating for banning guns in the USA?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    For decades you could by a firearm, including actual weapons of war that were used on the battlefield of WW2 and Korea and Vietnam via mail order or with cash and no ID in USA - what changed in the last few decades as there were almost no mass shootings in the past.

    It's mental health, demographics (look who does the most mass shootings), culture in US. Guns were there before with no issue.

    Also if you want to ban guns, do, get a constitutional amendment, it's quite clear on how to proceed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 truthseekerxz


    Why is this dude being misgendered in the liberal press? They keep referring to the shooter as a “her” and “assigned female at birth”. Should they just not be calling the shooter “he” or “male” or “man” etc. Very peculiar



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Unsurprisingly actual mental health professionals don't agree with your assessment on genders.

    Giving your count the benefit of the doubt, there have been more than 2000 mass shootings in the US since 2020. If 4 of them were perpetrated by trans people that would be 0.2% of the shootings. Best estimates are that between 0.5% and 2% of the population is trans. Which would mean that trans shooters are underrepresented.

    Of course the reality is that trans people are MUCH more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,742 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Over two thirds of mass shootings in the USA are gang & crime related some say up to 88 % of them ,If you look into them next to none of the gang/crimes related mass shooting are committed by the Trans population ,

    So the 2000 number falls drastically

    Also the 4 i mentioned where in the last 5 months not that last 3 years ,

    So your numbers fall drastically again , Seems like people will continue to bury there heads in the sands,

    Mental illness is a huge issues with these incidents



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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,837 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe



    If:

    'none of the gang/crimes related to mass shooting are committed by the trans population'

    then by that logic, we in fact need more trans people to help bring that 88% mass shooting gang and crime statistic down.😁



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