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The eviction ban

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,137 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    SF are morons, appealing to the human element of evictions which are horrible considering they have nowhere to go but the damage this ban has caused to landlord confidence is stark. We have kicked the small landlord for so long and they are fed up of it. The irony is SF are kicking up about investment funds buying up the market but an extension of the ban is going to make these funds the dominant landlords who can charge whatever they want with no small scale alternatives.



  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭bluedex


    The even more moronic thing is that this was utterly and entirely predictable. Only a total idiot would not have seen the carnage we have now resulting from the measures taken over the last 10 years or so.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,137 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Entirely predictable. You can't get those 10 years back of building nothing, there saying now we need 100k homes a year, we can't even manage 30k annually. The politics of all this is stopping any progress, this is an absolute crisis of this generation. Government are running around looking for short term solutions without addressing the foundations of a long term change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Not one market interferenca that they have done, not even one, hasnt only made the situation even worse.

    And yet they keep doing it again and again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,137 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Its all demand measures lobbied by the construction industry. Not a single measure to improve supply. A piddling vacant property tax when really they should be taxed into oblivion or sell up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Id be very surprised if they arent all trying to sell up now. Only the very stupid ones will be left i think. Whats first and foremost on every landlords mind now is how do they get the tenants out with the least amount of resistance, so they can sell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    I don't care what party is in power but these "no confidence" votes are a waste of time. They spend days going around in circles on these all in the knowledge at the start it will never pass. So what else would you call it?

    The way they should be used is if the party does have no confidence, they should discuss with other parties/independents and if they get a large agreement then bring forward with the chance of actually implementing the change they are saying they want.

    This is just used now by some parties to get into the news. Waste of time. At one stage we had SF calling them week in week out because their supporters thought this was great.

    Didnt they call a vote of no confidence over turf? idiots



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    How can you improve supply. There was nearly 30k houses built last year. At present there is a slow down in commercial building this may throw more labour towards housing but there is very little Government can do about.

    The process is slow it's like turning an oil tanker. Government can only put systems in place to keep builders building. That is the key that builder keep building.

    The problem in Dublin is that 50%of the labour travels in and out every day.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Most of the builders will be off to rebuild Ukraine when the war is over too. Thats going to take every builder Europe has.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Government won the confidence vote 86-65. Surprise Surprise. The bould Nessa even voted confidence in the government.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Some of us predicted this would be a damp squib. Can't say I'm surprised by the outcome. Labour got one in before their Easter holliers, SF will be doing the same before their summer holliers. All loud-mouthing from the opposition, nothing new, nothing exciting, nothing innovative.

    You know Bacik would have been better off saying she had a definitive plan as to how to build 970,000 houses over ten years, problem for her is that she would then be asked for the plan instead of getting the glib 1 million headline.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Leo caught with the lies again.

    But he is playing a blinder if what he wants is to scare every landlord left to sell up.

    Hes practically telling people not to move out if they get notice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The RTE article is brief, but Cowen made a comment comparing an extension of the eviction ban to be like free sweets for children.

    For those watching the debate, it was around the context of providing social housing in much larger numbers for social tenants and this caused some on the left to cry shock and horror and accused the minister of being removed from reality.

    I happen to agree with Cowen and I hope he doesn't soften his cough, bend the knee and apologise for truly held, economically sound and fair beliefs. We most definitely need more housing, but the huge focus on social housing is little, or no help to people who want to get a mortgage and don't qualify for social housing because they earn a living. The opposition are shamelessly crying wolf on this, despite TDs like Labours Aodhán Ó Riordáin shooting down hundreds of local housing applications, mostly social or heavily mixed social developments.

    I think Cowen should stand his ground here and ignore the faux outrage from the opposition. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    If the proposed ban extension included pisstakers who didn't pay their rent, he would have a fair point but it doesn't. The proposed ban only covers no fault evictions. It would simply offer some protection and surity of tenure to people who keep their side of the bargain with the landlord in terms of rent. Non payers and people engaged in antisocial behavior are still liable for eviction, so I'm not sure what he's on about with his "free sweets".



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,231 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I believe there's a three to four thousand evictions that were paused and only about 200 were due to non payment. So the vast majority of people being evicted have paid their rent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    No he isn't "practically telling people not to move out if they get notice".

    It's a hell of a stretch and well to come up with that

    Varadkar advice was to seek legal advice. What else is any TD in the situation going to say because in reality every situation is different.

    The best advice anyone can give to tenants and landlords in situation is to seek legal advice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Time for everyone to get outraged and shunned. It's the usual bulls**t from the opposition who would prefer to play the faux outrage card instead of actually doing their jobs etc.

    Cowan should tell them all to grow up and get on with their jobs instead of trying to play to the gallery

    The question is will we end up with another "vote of no confidence" from the opposition, we seem to have one weekly now as they are stunned and outraged over everything these days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Exactly, and I think it would make sense for those people to have a measure of security of tenure, which an eviction bam as outlined would provide. Cowan is talking as if it would allow people to just decide to tell their landlord to shag off. It wouldn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's a stupid bloody comment, no matter where one stands on the eviction ban. But it's designed to appeal to cunts who want to have this idea in their heads that it's non-payers only that are going to get turfed out onto the streets. A specious state of mind given the fact that it affects, as you point out, renters with no fault in their payment history.

    It seems, though, that there are lot of people who a for the lifting of the ban, simply because the "left" in the Dail are in favour of extending it. That's about the extent of their logic on the matter.

    Meanwhile, we have a political class that are happy to sit on their hands and continue to watch the nightmare that is our housing situation and do bugger all about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,995 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I understand the point he tried to make in that the temporary relief provided by extending the eviction ban would lead to worse problems down the road as no-one in their right minds would sign up to be a landlord in the Irish market with the constant threat of ad-hoc indefinite eviction bans looming. But that was extremely insensitively worded and the opposition were right in this case to call him out on it. Necessary or not, the ending of the ban is going to lead to a lot of hardship for a lot of people and that will need to be sensitively handled.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    DCC are over 40m in debt and thte DCC councillors have just voted to extend the eviction ban.

    Now that is something which should be discussed and the TD;'s should be "stunned" over. Not this comment but of course that will not be mentioned in the Dail and this will be discussed for days



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,245 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Cowen is idiotic for using analogies like that. Heard him on radio earlier trying to defend his choice of words and failing miserably.

    They'd want to be careful as cohorts in society that were previously unaffected by housing and rental issues, are being hit now.

    If you wanted to erode your voting base, this is how you go about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What are the permanently outraged going to do when society doesn't collapse following the ending of the eviction ban?

    The Chicken Licken antics from the opposition are getting ridiculous at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    "erode your voting base" do you understand who votes for Cowan?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    How can anyone trust a Cowan. Two ****** absolute total housing disasters in 15 years. You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Eurox6


    Instead of blaming SF owuld you not blame the current government for getting everyone inot this mess,

    They have made an absolute pigs ear of it for everyone from renters to landlords .,

    Leo is a shame of a man he hasn't got one once of care for anybody in this country bar himself looks at how disrespectful he has been to the people of Ireland , Mean girls quotes when addressing the nation , when loved ones where dyeing & people losing jobs, GP document leaks ,Nursing home charges he knew exactly what was going on,

    This government is failure after failure



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,137 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I previously stated the current government is a shambles and a weak one at that. Eviction ban was another in a long list of the government putting there foot in it when it comes to housing. If they were insistent on the eviction ban there should been a tax package for the landlords at the same time. You don't kick a man while he's down.

    My other point about SF is they are even more anti landlord and it looks like a matter of when not that they govern and as a landlord I'd be running for the exits now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,245 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Do you? Barry Cowen represents Laois Offaly, a mixture of towns with urban voters and a substantial farming community. Many with sons/ daughters who normally expect to go to colleges in Dublin, have rented accommodation and often start jobs there. These people have been squeezed, parents funding this and their sons/ daughters forced back out of the city. And are pissed off. Those living at home in Dublin & suburbs with Mammy & Daddy, whilst they study or work are affected but not nearly to the same extent. FF/FG have traditionally lost votes in the greater urban areas and now rural Ireland ain't so happy with them anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Good story and it was interesting to see what you would come up with. You should be aware that Dublin is not the only college location is the first point.

    Now if you had done a quick bit of research and 77% of students from Offaly go to college with the breakdown like this in one year. of course one year but a decent guide.

    "Of the 769 pupils, close to 20% went on to attend Athlone Institute of Technology while 90 students went to Maynooth University. Galway was another popular destination with 74 going to NUIG and 49 going to Galway-Mayo IT. "

    You could of pointed to Maynooth which has a housing issue and a lot of students now getting buses. You could say the same for Galway but they have a lot of student accommodation.

    If you knew about the voters or Cowan they wouldn't care less about a comment like this and the usual faux outrage brigade.

    Also if you go around the farming community, a lot of them didn't like he was moved from Agri at the time as they seen him as a great advocate.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,231 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Nobody said that society would collapse or anything remotely like that. Just that thousands would become homeless.



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