Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

Would you prefer them to delay the tax increases and get a bigger than required tax bill one month?

Income Tax is on a receipt basis, irrelevant of when it is earned.

Income received in 2022 taxed in 2022, income received in 2023 taxed in 2023

Thank you both for clarifying, I didn’t realise that was the case, that’s good to know.

Yes, and at the time I argued that the 6.5% wasn't great, while also being somewhat sympathetic towards the Govt.

PSSA deal, unwinding previous pay cuts

2018 +1% Jan and +1% Oct

2019 Sep +1.75%

2020 Oct +2%

Building Momentum, 2021 to end 2022, max of 3% over two years

2021 Oct = +1%

2022 Feb possible +1%, depending on local issues, Oct +1% general increase

Extension to Building Momentum

2022 Feb +3% backdated to Feb 2022

2023 Mar = 2%

I will check the inflation data now.

Let us take the period from the start of 2020 to now.

2020 Jan CPI = 102.9

2023 Feb CPI = 118.1

Inflation is 14.8% cumulative

The pay rises over that period are PSSA 2% + BM 2% or 3% + BM ext 3%, so a max of 8% in total (ignoring compounding)

8% pay rise versus nearly 15% inflation, that is a serious decline in real wages.

It was always an awful deal and the idea that inflation just drops as quickly as it rises is never the case. The big difference with the new deal will be it isn't just a pay issue, its a whole new deal involving terms and conditions ans potential productivity issues. The last deal one can argue that getting more money while not having to do any additional work is never a bad thing, it will be interesting to see if a DPER try and attach more productivity measures to a similar 6%is pay raise.

But yes, it's a massive lose in terms of real wages. But for some reason Irish Civil Servants lap that up.

The Income tax take boomed in 2022 was 15% ahead of 2021 which I assume reflects general salary increases in Ireland.

The government were also talking about a budget giveaway.

In reality, the tax take was growing with inflation while their costs weren't.

It's almost as if the unions didn't understand inflation.

Exactly the same as I did at the time!

If you have a problem with your forsa rep being useless, put yourself forward at the next AGM to replace them. You'd be surprised how many people want FORSA to be all things to all men & women, but never volunteer themselves.

I was co-opted to being a Branch Sec, against my wishes.

My partner is in the same position. Moved departments back in October and no sign of the backdated money being paid. Contacted the NSSO last week and got a generic response saying that the timeframe to pay it has been extended beyond quarter one 2023.

It's so bad, yet you have no problem seeing your wife try and join the civil service. Still better than available elsewhere?

I assume you received the email yesterday. No accountability or no indication of when it would be sorted, almost made it sound like the fault lay with you for having the audacity to get promoted/transfer.