The eviction ban

Barry Cowen reflecting what everyone in Ireland already knows - there's a small minority of freeloaders here. They freeload no matter what the economic conditions of the country.

Nothing to do with the eviction ban, in fact removing the eviction ban may help such people if landlords are selling up.

I have no idea whether the Shinners will sort it or anything else for that matter. But I do know that a lot of young folk (20 something and 30 something) are willing to give them a shot because the civil war parties have done fuck all to help them with regards to putting a roof over their heads, that's for sure. And they will continue to do fuck all about it as well. They're well aware of FF's disastrous handling of housing from the late 90's onwards and they also know that FG just don't give a damn. So there's going to be no light at the end of the tunnel with that crowd.

Thats not all he said and you know it. Read exactly what he said in full and it reads totally differently to what you quoted.

The solution is more builds, whether it is the eviction ban or housing agencies and local authorities buying properties, it is only different people fighting over the same number of dwellings. Focussing on issues like the eviction ban, as the opposition is doing, is detracting from the real problems.

The real problems are in building more homes. The record of the opposition parties in particular in objecting to every single housing development is dreadful. The performance of the councils is abysmal. I asked a question a month ago whether there was any large housing development in Dublin that Sinn Fein hadn't objected to, and nobody was able to provide me with an example.

You may be right that this situation may come back to bite the government parties, but the cynical way that the opposition have operated in blocking government attempts to solve the problem and distracting the public with irrelevant issues is deeply worrying if they ever get into government as they are clearly putting their own interests ahead of the public interest.

But thats not all he said now is it. But i can see where we are going. You will keep saying thats all he said. Anyone with a brain will not have disengaged their ears at the point you did and will have the full context.

Whats coming next is SF get in and blame everything on the previous government. Then say the previous government messed it up so much they will need a few terms to sort it out. Nothing will be sorted out and FFG will take their turn to railroad SF to make it worse by just taking populist measures that are not designed at all to help and will never have a hope of doing other than being seen to be doing something popular.

I cant see a way out of this at all

Yes lack of builds is the problem and I suspect that regardless of who is to blame, the public are fed up with lack of foresight and progress. There's also the question of imbalanced development with too much emphasis on the greater Dublin region, where costs are highest. The buck has to stop somewhere.

Nothing is going to be done "over night". That's just not possible. And we have no idea what the Shinners can do about our appalling housing situation.

However, what we DO know is that current lot have had their hands on the tiller for a long time now and have let things get to a truly dreadful point because they just don't give a **** and really have no intent on trying to remedy the mess they've made.

To keep putting these people into power and expecting a different result, when we have decades of evidence displaying their lethargy, is pure folly.

Are here we go its all the shinners fault again? Sinn Fein are not the only party as we have seen blocking by the opposition as you say. So at least when you say something like that at least be honest about it. All parties are engaged in it so you can park that excuse.

Go way out of that every post you have made you have looked to blame the opposition for not solving the problem. I have seen it on other threads as well. You are being dishonest.

Also as for the opposition not putting forward ideas they have and the government have rejected them, they should have rejected the eviction ban instead of bringing it in as well. This was called out by the Soc Dems when Michael Martin was accusing them of the exact same thing you are.

Read the top line of the second post where you said "The government asked fo cross party support. Many many months ago, it was ignored and we continue to see houses etc been blocked daily by the opposition", I even highlighted in bold where you said the opposition ignored the call for cross party support when infact they were submitting ideas to the government and the government were rejecting them. This whole housing shambles has been caused by mainly 2 parties and they are FG and FF along with whoever went into government with them and supported them. So it is not me who is being dishonest it is you.

Also this line "It is hilarious to read all the excuses from SF supporters and they are not even in government yet. They already know Sinn Fein will be useless so best to get in excuses now. Terrible terrible party if they don't even want to attempt to fix any of the issues". Is this put in as a wind up to get a reaction because it is one of the most ridiculous lines I have read on here and that is saying something for some of the other SF haters on here, Are you really expecting the government of whatever shape or hue to solve the housing crisis that FF and FG have created over the last 30 or so odd years? Cop onto yourself.

There won't be an apology and you was correct you were being dishonest. You said the opposition didn't offer any ideas and I have said they have as evidenced by the Soc Dems calling the government out on it in the Dáil. Also you say SF are blocking houses and you don't doubt that the other parties are too then why did you only mention SF, when there is plenty of evidence of FG TD's blocking housing and only recently Nessa Hourigan blocking housing. So yes you are dishonest and trying to pin the blame on SF when infact it is every single one of the parties are to blame with FG and FF taking the majority of it. So climb down there off your pedestal and be a bit more honest in your posting. Also don't assume anyone not for the government is a shinner, that is another stupid mistake to make.

What an absolute mess the government have made of this? Why not just extend the ban till they had the "safety nets" in place? Why do it now? An absolute mess. Maybe there is some truth that the government are doing this now to avoid doing it closer to the Local and european elections. So cynical if it turns out to be true.

Im laughing at his use of "first refusal". If someone wants to buy your property then all they need to do is be the highest bidder. This "first refusal" sh1te is more taking away an owners rights. I dont think it would be too long before the govt were taken up on that one. And probably have to pay any losses that anyone ever had due to not allowing them to put their property in the market.

Dont ever rent your properties out folks. You might never get them back. And on the off chance that you do, you might be forced to sell them to only one bidder.

Well, if I am selling a property that has tenants, I will add 20% onto the price I think I will get and offer it on a "first refusal" basis to the tenants and the council.

Supposedly you have to sell to them at a price that an "independent" valuer decides.

I dont see that making it through the wash. Surely totally illegal.

Didnt stop them dictating how much you could rent it for though.

My point is it make sense because the safety nets are just joke pretend measures which will not have a significant impact. They are a PR measure and their intention is not to help those being evicted. I know that may sound cynical but look at the government’s record going back decades as evidence for their future intent.

Seems like I am not the only one who thought of that.

The main point though is that you shouldnt be forced ti get your place valued for a sale to one buyer. In all sales the market needs to be tested to find the price at that time.