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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭randd1


    I know he has the spine of a jellyfish, and the Republicans in general have become a demented cabal of cowards and liars, but his brown-nosing is at another level. It doesn't even feel genuine. It's like he does it because he's blackmailed.

    You'd have to wonder what the Trumpanzee's have on him. It isn't the gay thing, no-one cares about that. It's either something very illegal or something very funny, either way it would probably be enough to end conservatives voting for him.

    My guess (and this is purely wild speculation and in no way a truth) is that he was discovered in a compromising position with a very large, black tranny receiving what can be best described as a "piledriver".



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,420 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well yes, even DeSantis regimes comments make that clear, sniveling about “the will of the voters” etc the same way they twisted the will of the voters on the ex felon voting rights. It’s poetry.

    While I’m sure the regime will reply with another attempt at legislating their retaliation against disneys free speech into law, it’s very clear they’ve won this skirmish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,705 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Classless as always Nancy.

    Trump doesnt have to prove his innocence, the prosecution have to prove his guilt, and they wont be able to.

    To borrow a quote from the left this case is a Nothing Burger.

    I didnt hear Nancy calling for the prosecution of insider traders or former Presidential war criminals or indeed Epsteins clients.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,420 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If they weren’t able to prove his guilt a grand jury wouldn’t have indicted on 34 counts first initiated by Trumps own DOJ in its prosecution of Michael Cohen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,705 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Thats now how courts work and you know it.

    Alot of case that go to trial are not won by the prosecution, this is merely a PR stunt.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So first it was that unless he was actually charged it was not talked about. And now that he is charged, it is Pelosi that is classless.

    Classless compared to a man that slept with someone while his wife was with their newborn son. Classless compared to a man that lied about the affair, who lied about the hush money, that lied about the accounting of that money, classless compared to the man that blamed he lawyer that tried to save him.

    And as usual it is the hypocrisy that show you up the most MisterAnarchy. You know plead that Pelosi is classless for saying he can prove his innocence yet you wanted HC locked up without trial, Hunter Biden must be held to account for some laptop rumours you read about.

    And here is the Ex-POTUS, charged on 34 counts by a grand jury and yet instead of talking the time to actually review the counts and see if Trump really has a case to answer, you decide to attack the people who simply highlight the fact that he has brought more humiliation to the US and his supporters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,420 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Except Cohen was prosecuted for the same battery of crimes already.

    And that is how grand juries work. Prosecutors present their best case, absent cross or counter. It has to be voted on by a grand jury and even then they don’t bring many cases to indictment. Here they brought a staggering 34 counts and you haven’t even seen the charges or documents yet. But we have seen Cohen go to jail as explained by his activities with Individual One, aka. Donald J Trump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


     the prosecution have to prove his guilt, and they wont be able to.


    Have you seen all the evidence for the 34 indictments?



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    The idea of the right to a trial to prove innocence isn't about the defendant having to prove that they are innocent. The idea is that an innocent person frequently welcomes a trial, especially if there has been a lot of publicity around them being accused of a crime, so that they can prove in a court of law that they are not guilty. Which is why "everyone has the right to a trial to prove their innocence" is a common turn of phrase, at least in the US.



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Yes, lots of cases are not won by the prosecution. But then most cases are not the result of indictments from a grand jury.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    One can't honestly support TFG and look themselves in the mirror when they accuse someone else for being 'classless.'


    And this:


    Even this:




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,343 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    A mention of Epstein. Hilarious stuff



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Actually, I think we know who doesn't know how courts work here. The worst thing an attorney can do, is waste a judge's time. Years of careful investigation resulting in 34 indictments isn't a PR stunt, no matter how much your handlers on Fox would like you to believe that.

    Sadly, I knew someone in politics who turned out to be a dirty actor and was indicted on 20 counts. This was in Hudson county, NJ, a notoriously corrupt county. Well, despite his protestations that it was just a political stunt to get him out of office, he served 4 years in prison (note: Felons go to prison, not Jail in the US, which is much worse, both far worse than in Ireland. Jail's only for up to 1 year.)

    And his life was ruined - pension gone, now living on social security, from being a 'big shot' to just another elderly in Florida.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Thats how Grand Juries work which you obviously have no clue about, for a grand jury to indict on 1 count let alone 34 takes a hell of a lot of evidence. And as many have pointed out Cohen has already been convicted for literally the exact same crimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    You could be here all day posting clips of Trump being classless tbf

    Yer man up there getting a bee in his bonnet over Pelosi though 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,714 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,705 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    This is a blatant political prosecution.

    Dragging up old cases outside the statute of limitations and outside State remit.

    Bragg ran on a campaign of bagging Trump, Bragg boasted during his 2021 campaign that he helped sue Trump more than 100 times.

    The man is seriously biased when it comes to Trump, there is bad blood between them.

    I know most people on here hate Trump, they would love to see nothing better than his demise but this isnt the way to do it.

    It might only make him stronger if the charges dont stick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,714 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If they've waited all this time to build the case against him, I would be surprised if it wasn't a very strong one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    If it is outside the statute of limitations then Trump has nothing to worry about and I'm sure you will be back in to gloat if a judge throws out the charges.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,006 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    His Mugshot on a T-Shirt will be a nice little earner I'd say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,420 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh no, a prosecutor (an elected office) ran on a campaign of prosecuting people?

    What did he have his crowds chant lock him up?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,705 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    There is an election next year, thats the main reason for Bragg acting now.

    If the charges relate to violating campaign finance law then they are going to be very very difficult to prove in court.

    A settlement payment of a nuisance claim is not a federal campaign expense and a state DA has no authority to prosecute a federal campaign finance violation in any event.

    The settlement was ultimately paid out of Trump's personal funds and had nothing to do with the campaign since the one-night stand occurred 10 years before the campaign.

    The previous case against John Edwards failed and that was a much stronger case.

    Edwards campaign donors paid up to $1 million to Edwards' mistress, Rielle Hunter, while she was working for Edwards during his Presidential campaign.

    On the other hand Stormy Daniels had no connection to Trumps Presidential campaign of any kind and the encounter didn't happen during the campaign itself. Trump paid the 130k in personal funds though Cohen.

    There really isnt a case here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    If the case is weak why did the grand jury vote to indict?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,714 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    There are elections every two years, so always an election next year. People should not be above the law. Can everyone claim that they should have the charges dropped or delayed because they have a big thing coming up?

    This has gone through a grand jury. Bragg didn't just do this solo. It will stand, or fall, based on the law. Trump has plenty of lawyers sp why are you so worried about him? Do you accept that he had the affair, that Cohen paud the money, that Giuliani admitted that Trump had repaid it through the company? So the only question is whether he accounted for it fraudulently - which I understand is one of the main charges - and you cannot possibly know the answer to that.

    What we do now is that his CFO has already admitted to false accounting for expenses. So there is a history there. Does that not make you think even a little bit about it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,420 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh is that what it said in the indictment you haven’t seen yet



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,415 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump says he can't be indicted as he was the a president.


    Trump then says he can't he can't be charged because he's running for president.


    The guy has spent his entire life dodging prosecutions.


    It's about time he faces one or more.


    Btw - the indictments are sealed. Let's wait and see how paper thin they turn out to be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,006 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Donald will throw who ever he needs to under the bus to save his own orange skin.

    I wonder will he be offered a plea deal?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,420 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well hell if they’re sealed we won’t even find out what he was charged with for a while. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    I love that the right from the pundits to governors are now using that fact to make posts like ‘I can’t see anything here must be a witch hunt’ etc. riling up the base for civil war bla bla bla



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