I like the way they keep emphasisng there will be consultations with firearms stakeholders within 6 months[Simon Harris].

Will it ber meaningful consultations or will it just be the usual "We have to listen to you peasants because we need to be seen doing a sham working of democracy,giving you yokels a say,but we have already made up our minds?"

Also, again only an academic subtlety, but the rifle is still your property you just cannot possess or use it. So their argument will be to sell it or surrender it. Easy for them to say when they haven't invested a minimum of €1,500 up to €3,500 for one.

Who can you sell it to? You can't sell it to NIor the UK as they are prohibited there. Maybe Germany if you are lucky and can re-export it, just make sure it has German or other proof marks as otherwise that gun cant be sold publically over there until in proof. [France and Italy its too complicated with the paperwork] So you'll get pennies on your euro for a gun dealer having to reproof the gun.

Same if you sell it to a vulture posing as a gun dealer here. They can't sell them and will give you pennies on the value so they can shove it into their private collections. Same as happened with the CF pistols in many cases.

There is another option,but I'm not discussing it on boards here where aGS/DOJ are reading up possibly.It's going to be a poor 2nd place for those SACF owners.All 39 KNOWN according to the DOJ own figures released. So all in its good time.

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Short shotguns: FEC recommends a legal barrel limit of 45cm and overall length of 90cm

Now a EU standard across the union since 2017 ,bar here of course.

Short rifles: FEC recommends legislation to allow legislation to shorten rifles. Recommends surveying rifles in the state to establish a minimum legal barrel length.

Sounds like a lot of unnecessary work when they have an EU directive to work off?

Firearms styled on assault rifles: FEC recommends defining an assault rifle better in legislation. 3 members suggest excluding visual appearance from legislation. AGS wants to include visual appearance in legislation

AGS still being thick about this,despite being slapped in the dist courts on this point multiple times. Amazing no one on this committee mentioned this fact,form does not follow function.still trying to bring back the "Idontlikedelookodatnow" clause.

Licensing reccomendations;

-Online Licensing

Good,means having to rebuild the PULSE system tho to accomadate.have they money for that?

-Review of individual licenses for each firearm (ie, issue one firearm license instead for all firearms?)

Liscense the man not the gun.Good

-Review allowing RFDs to make like for like substitutions on the holders license without needing new applications to AGS

Good,if also applicable to restricted firearms.Would sort out the CF handgun swop matter.

-New license card with photo

Won't happen, unless they change the license format. If you add a pic to our current format,it would look too much like a Garda warrant card.[Not that many people know what one looks like in the 1st place] So too open to abuse.

-Extend hunting permits to align with the duration of firearm licenses

Good/bad?Seeing our hunting season is pretty much Sep1st to Feb 28th PA.Does that mean a license is only valid for 6 months?

-Centralization of license applications

Good,IF it is only dealing with license applications.

-Establish non-judicial appeals mechanism

NOT GOOD! This will be used as another blocker in the application process and delay licenses further! As it stands if you have no satisfaction,you can take the Super directly to the Dist court, and let a judge decide. With this you will have to probably go thru this process before you could go to court.As we have seen with FEC, what's the betting the people appointed will be, political appointees, anti-gun ex Gardai, chronically understaffed that they will probably deal with a dozen cases per month if we are lucky,and will be so slow anyone will give up on trying to appeal a decision? This is one that MUST be killed!With fire!!!

-Letter of intent to refuse issued to applicants prior to license refusals to allow applicants to provide further info that may impact decisions

Point being?Apart from creating more paperwork for AGS/gun owner?Usually a phone call can sort that out these days.Why fix something that ain't broke?

-One FEC member suggested reviewing reloading laws

Nice but wont happen as that's another big tin of worms

Clay targets: Framework to expand authorization of clay target shooting (align with pistol & rifle shooting)

Thats the end of flappers and charity shoots so.Even if the lead directive doesn't kill them.

Limiting the purpose for the use of firearms: I don't really understand the "limiting the purpose" recommendations?

Still trying to figure that out too

Locations & circumstances: FEC seems to be recommending requiring written permission to hunt on lands

Pretty much have that already

Inexperienced hunters: FEC seems to be suggesting that they be required to hunt with experienced hunters (compulsory training license or similar to car driving "N" plate perhaps?)

Who trains the trainer.What makes you an experienced hunter qualified to teach a newbie?Will you need to be cleared by aGS for working with minors/children?Awkward and will need a lot of work.

Hunting clubs: FEC suggests compulsory membership of a hunting organization

Pretty much are mostly NARGC clubs around the country?So benefit?Proably looking at the point of view of insurance on an individual gunowner

Number of firearms one may possess: No recommendation but maybe more security requirements for large amounts of guns

VERY DANGEROUS Talking about gundealer levels of security [IE timelocks and CCTV]for a "substantial amount"[not specified] of firearms!! Why not simply go for a point where you need a genuine safe once you reach the specified number of substantial firearms?

Silencers: No changes - but some funny wording about ear protection that I don't really like

Thermal scopes: FEC proposes a ban

Unenforceable and ridiculous as technology has moved on again with clip on to day scope devices that can be bought from China or East bloc countries?

Night vision scopes: FEC proposes using these for professional use only or only with proper training?

Sounds half assed like the thermal and the silencers proposition.

Training & qualifications;

-Range training for first time firearm applicants to agreed national standard

-Night time shooting training program for night shooters?

HMMMMM Wasnt a certain individual on SCovi and late of FEC suggesting such awhile back?Someone with Min Browne's ear??

So well then cant they train us to use thermal and night vision,that "only military personnel use and have difficulty using!2 or some such Bullshite? Dear God if they are going to base our shooting off the national drivers license centre,going on how ineffective that organisation is in getting people to sit their licenses and pass rates...

-Minimum number of hours at a range for firearm license holders so license to be valid and eligible for renewal

Doing what?shooting,yakking and drinking coffee? Who is going to verify and count your scores that you actually shot out there to qualify.its a massive logistical endeavour between a rifle range,and the aGS.

In fact it sounds like someone went and read up on the German system and got it arse over tit!

RFDs: Different licenses for RFDs and Gunsmiths

About the only sensible thing in the whole part two.