Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Do you think it is ok to hack phones, break into and place listening devices in people's homes and write news stories about people's private lives and publish them for everyone to read. This is what the tabloids did to a lot of people who don't have the resources of the Sussex's to fight back. This court case is just a bit more than just the RF / Sussexes. Do you really think it was ok for a paper to print the private conversation between Charles & Camilla by tapping their phone (tampon gate) for example, and that they should just put up with it?

Are you suggesting that its ok to allow this kind of immoral / illegal activity to go on as long with as long as they can find someone to dump on.

I suppose we are lucky that if it was a GOT fantasy, Charles would have been killed off at this stage by either William or Harry, or Harry & Meghan would have been marched naked around the cities of the UK (per what Jeremy Clarkson, Camilla's good friend wanted to do).

No, I don't think it's ok to hack phones and all the other things mentioned above. Also;

Again no, I don't. Neither do I think it's ok for Harry to disclose any number of private conversations with his father, his brother, his thoughts about Camilla - need I go on? - in his book, interviews, reality Netflix docuseries and so on. Harry and Meghan obviously want one set of principles for them, and a completely different set for everyone else. And that's one of the reasons why I have a problem with them.

Harry didn't steal what he published. I doubt he has signed a non-disclosure agreement unlike what RF staff do who are privy to conversations between and with members of the RF. The tabloids did steal and publish private conversations. Thats a big difference from what you are trying to claim. If Charles wanted to publish his private conversation with Camilla, he could have (though I see a bit of justification as Charles had claimed in an interview on TV that he was not having an affair with Mrs Parker Bowles - they were just friends) and the tapes proved he was lying.

For me, it's not solely about whether or not a crime has been committed. It's broader than the court case. Consider this.

Harry wants his privacy to be secured and maintained - not an unreasonable thing for anyone to expect. So he's going to Court. But, if he is so keen on privacy, why does he fail so grossly to respect the privacy of others, especially matters such as the private conversations between Harry, William and Charles plus, of course Catherine and the rest of his (now) estranged family. Can you imagine the King reading Harry's account in Spare, revealing the very private conversation that Harry and William allegedly has with their father about Camilla? Or his comments about Camilla in general? Was that really necessary? Go on about your frozen todger as much as you want, but keep away from private, intimate family issues. Actually, shut up about your frozen todger, too, nobody gives a damn.

Harry is demonstrating that he has no feelings for his family. He is also demonstrating he has no respect, no humanity, no moral compass, no compassion, no loyalty, no integrity and, frankly, no common sense. He is just an angry person, lashing out in all directions. He should stop, for his own wellbeing.

Why would Harry have any feelings for his family. All they have ever done is used and abused him and just about broke every promise they made to him including that he would get protection (it in the statement of the agreement I posted earlier). They never spoke against the racist attacks on Meghan (despite something like 70 MPs writing a letter about it). A couple of weeks ago, William was giving a lecture about racism in football and he could not bring himself to condemn the racism against his sister in law. The Norwegian King showed him how to do it when his family received racist attacks. Both Charles & William said nothing when their grandson/nephew was depicted as a monkey by a BBC journalist. But, probably the worst thing KC & William did was take away their security and then let the press know where they were staying in Canada. (The only people who knew where they were staying were Charles and William). Time and time again, Harry was let down by his family, so feic them now.

By the way, you have missed the rationale for the frozen todger. Harry needed to see a doctor, but he couldn't ask the palace staff to get him one because it would be leaked to the press and his todger would have been all the over papers the next day. (He asked a friend who he could trust to make an appointment and he brought him the back door of the GPs). What is your assessment of that, did the public have a right to know about his frost bitten todger or would you regard that should be a private matter between Harry and his doctor?

The point of what Harry did is that he has owned up to everything, there is nothing that he hasn't said that can be used against him in this court case. Thats why the tabloids are running scared.

I think we have "irreconcilable differences" between our views.

Harry was not used and abused. He did the damage to himself. Nazi uniform, hopeless relationships with great girlfriends (Chelsy and Cressida, to name but two) who saw through him. Drugs, Bunker Harry and so on

As I see things, Meghan was enthusiastically and warmly welcomed into the RF, not just by them - Charles walked her down the aisle, remember, at a wedding that cost £32m? - but by most of the British public. It could have been so good for the "Institution" but H&M, driven in my view by Meghan and her particular ambitions, chose to trash that possibility.

Why am I reminded of Macbeth (and Lady Macbeth!) and his "vaulting ambition"? Don't forget that Lady Macbeth manipulated her husband very effectively; when he is hesitant to murder Duncan, she questions his manhood (read frozen todger, here) until he decides to murder him to prove himself. Spot any similarities?

It didn't end well for Macbeth.

I don't wish either of the any ill. I just wish they would STFU and live quietly somewhere.

Oh, and by the way, Danny Baker is a grade one idiot, and was rightly fired by the BBC over that totally unacceptable tweet.

Didn't William have a statement made supporting Harrys one about the negative coverage of Meghan in the press? This was 2016. Do they have to comment on every single thing? These are grown ups we're talking about here. These are not children who need supervision. I've been over this ad nauseum in that if you comment on some things and not subsequently on other stuff then it really is a losing game i.e. you condemned that thing but you kept schtum about the other thing thus your silence is agreement. Toxic. You want William to address social media stuff like Danny Baker? The guy was rightly lambasted and his reputation tarnished because of what he posted. Nobody swallowed his BS excuses. William was speaking about racism in football because it was in the context of his role in the FA. It's not difficult to extrapolate his thinking there towards a wider context but yeah he is this evil physically abusive psychopath who hated Meghan and didn't give her a hug or ask if she was ok and is a flaming racist because he didn't jump to her defense at all times.

According to Meghan the press were just being rude to Kate but they were racist to her. This rudeness being stuff like saying your uncle is a drug dealer, actually harassing you, taking the piss out your family and hacking your phone 155 times. 😀

You seem hell bent on defending Harry to the death which I find rather strange. Look at your opening statement, "Why would Harry have any feelings for his family." I find that bizarre. Why would anyone not have feelings for their family? Yes there are people who completely cut ties with their biological family but by all accounts it's extreme and traumatic and not all that common. Blood is thicker than water and all that. Despite your claims to justify his behaviour there really is no evidence that Harry was traumatised by his family to such a huge extent as to justify his enormous public disloyalty which must have caused great distress to many in the RF not least the late queen at the end of her life. There are always two sides to every story and there's no doubt that like in every dispute there are wrongs on both sides and family can be messy, but I personally have lost all respect for Harry as a result of his constant public whingeing, double standards and unforgiveable betrayal. As for his wife, her history of dumping close friends and family when they no longer suit her needs has been well documented so I find it impossible to have much time for her. Hard to defend either of them, imo, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Complete misrepresentation - ‘fascist attack’, depicted as a monkey’. It was not a racist tweet for gods sake, it’s quite obvious to anyone with a brain that it was a joke about class. Danny Baker said it was comparing the royals to circus animals in clothes. If we hadn’t been infected by this American toxicity of seeing race in everything, it wouldn’t even have caused a ripple. No-one in the uk gives 2 hoots about Markles racial background, or what % of skin colour background their ginger kids have. It’s a non issue, until the 2 grifters need something else to complain about.

That statement came from Kensington Palace. That's enough of an originator - it was, at the time, unprecedented.

I really don't know where to start in response to your recent posts. But I will just make a couple of observations.

I didn't say that. They split up because of his behaviour generally and inability to decide what he wanted from them or to commit to them. I don't recall Harry doing anything about the disgraceful intrusion into Chelsy's life.

But paradoxically, the RF were totally happy for her to invite people that Meghan either didn't know, or hardly knew, but simply wanted to invite in an attempt to try and advance her position as an "A-lister"? George and Amal Clooney, Oprah Winfrey, Idris Elba, James Cordon, etc. Tom Inskip, an old friend of Harry's, was not invited, apparently because advised Harry not to marry Meghan. Ah, well. The truth can hurt

So did Catherine at her wedding, that's how it works.

Clearly, nothing I can say will have any effect whatsoever with your strident defence of Meghan. Let's just agree to differ

With regard to the 'feelings for family' part. I was responding to a post that suggested that it was awful how Harry should have some feelings for his family and protect their privacy.

First of all, I don't know what Harry did wrong to be booted out of the family in the first place. They wanted to move away from England and the toxic British press, but were offering to continue doing charitable work and fund themselves, but that was unacceptable to the RF, so they had to make their own way. Why is their such venom towards them for wanting that? Why was it not possible to let them live in the Commonwealth and still work for the Royal Family? Why did they insist that they live in England?

The reason why 'feelings' are in short supply is because of how they have been treated by Charles & William, one of the main ones and extremely dangerous was pulling their security at short notice when they went to Canada and then telling the press where they were (Charles and William were the only two people who knew where they were). Why would a father do that to his family? There is an agreement that they would be provided with security so Charles & William broke that agreement. (Just in case you say that since they are not working royals, they were not entitled to tax payers security, Charles is a billionaire and could well afford to cover it.)

There were incessant attacks by the British media on them, although they were living very quietly in Canada/US for 18 months before they went on Oprah to set some of the record straight because his family certainly were never going to do that.

Since then, they have been evicted from their house which they paid to refurbish and were paying rent by Charles. So now Charles has an empty house and no rent and should pay back the 2/3 million that they spent on refurbishing it. Whats the point in that? Its just bizarre that Charles would treat his own son this way.

You say you are tired of listening to them 'whinging'. You don't have to read the British tabloids who go on incessantly about them, watch netflix, or read Harry book. Meghan has been seen twice in the last four months, Harry has given about 3 interviews and seen a few times walking in and out of a courtroom. There were even complaints about him using the front door of the court room. We have a problem with whinging all right, but its not Harry's whinging, its the British press incessantly whinging about them. ''Harry used the front door, he is looking for attention'' whinge, whinge. Meghan came out of the front door of a restaurant looking for attention ''whinge, whinge''. ''Harry & Meghan took a flight in a plane'' whinge, whinge. ''Harry should lose his title'' whinge, whinge. ''Harry & Meghan should not be invited to the cornation'' whinge, whinge.

I'd like to hear more about Meghan dumping close friends. What are you getting at here? What close friends and family has she dumped?

Meghan isn’t black though. She has more white genes than black, not that anyone cares. Seriously no-one cares. There was no racist intent behind that tweet. Danny Baker quickly realised that it would be taken up that way, and quickly deleted it. And subsequently apologised and was fired. But yeah, it was a terrible fascist and racist attack on a pale skinned woman who desperately slathers herself in bronzer to look more put upon 🙄

@Multipass I'm with @Leg End Reject on this particular subject. Whilst I agree that Meghan considered and portrayed herself as "Caucasian" until she met Harry, (and has slowly increased the saturation level since, in direct opposition to Michael Jackson, as I understand it) Danny Baker was completely out of order when he portrayed H&M's baby as a chimp. Baker was, at the most benevolent interpretation, unwise. More in my view, is that he had/has an overinflated opinion of his own comedic talent. Whilst he "apologised", he apparently ended the call from BBC R5 by saying. "F... off". What a great example of our species he ain't.

Nope. William sent out a press release signing Harry's name to which Harry had no knowledge of.

William issued a statement 2 weeks later eventually getting around to publicly support his brother.