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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Videos showing Prigozhin himself raising the Wagner flag over the building last night,

    They definitely have been making some gains inside of bakhmut, keep throwing bodies at at a wall and cracks will eventually appear,



  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    It's a sobering thought that Ukraine are losing their best and brightest in this battle while Russia are shedding the dregs of society - presumably, the convict scum that are on the front lines are lifers sent down for violent crimes and their departure from this world is mourned by no one, least of all their Wagner bosses....



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Tragically hilarious that Prigozhin claims to have captured Bakhmut "in a legal sense".

    Absolutely nothing legal about Russia's presence or atrocities in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The best and brightest have long left the country - even men of conscription age were allowed leave the country if they could stump up enough cash.

    As with most wars, its almost always the poor and criminal classes who do the fighting on behalf of the wealthy



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,053 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    A comment that speaks to your leanings. I have family who enlisted in WW1 to 'do the right thing' and they certainly weren't from the poor or criminal classes. And many more likewise, in the case of Ukraine you'd want to be proving your allegation. We do know that Russian men fled to avoid conscription.

    Personally I'd around up all Ukrainian & Russian men of service age in Ireland and send them back to do their bit. To work in Ukraine for the defence of their state and in Russia to deliver the news that they are regarded as pariahs and terrorists now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    It depends on the number of dependants (2/3+ children) you have whether you are required to sign up. No point leaving thousands of fatherless children to a single parent to try and bring up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ukrainian units are a mix. In any interview it's as likely to be an IT professional as a car mechanic talking.

    Russia infantry pretty much just contains people fighting for money, conscripts and prisoners.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    Your flawed analysis fails to take into account that Ukrainians are fighting for things like their homes, their land, their right to self-determination, the memory of the victims of Russian war crimes, their children's futures.

    Not the wealthy.

    And this is the reason that Ukrainians from all classes and walks of life are fighting harder than Russians ever will.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You were just about hanging to the fence by trying to counter your Russian bias with a titbit of pro-Ukraine stuff here and here. But the past few weeks you dropped off the fence like a crap into a Russian un-plumbed outhouse. Even a cursory glimpse of interviews with Ukranian soldiers would identify that they come from all walks of life, because they want to defend life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭BKtje


    There is a fascinating video on the engineering of the M1 Abrams tank for those that have access to the streaming service Nebula produced by the real engineering team. It goes into some detail regarding the engine, suspension, protective armor, main cannon and electronics of the tank including the upgrades in the last 40 years (where not classified). I found it absolutely fascinating and compares and contrasts some aspects with other MBTs such as the Challenger and Leopard tanks explaining why these decisions were made by the respective nations.

    For those without access to Nebula, it will be available on youtube in two weeks.

    I find watching these tanks travelling at speed somehow graceful contrary to their design purpose of destruction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    You'll generally find that pro Russian types tend to take a class based view of the world,

    It's the exact same line that Tankies in France and the UK pushed against fighting Hitler when he was in cahoots with Stalin



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Finland about to be in NATO tomorrow and that will conclude a major geopolitical own goal for Putin. Sweden is effectively Safe now even without being in NATO as they're surrounded by the alliance. The most important aspect of Finland joining is the Scandinavians won't fear weakening themselves by arming Ukraine with weapon's donations. We've seen it already with the Baltic's.


    On another note we must be due another mass missile strike from the Russians. Feels like it's been a while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The best and brightest have left Russia long ago,,,17 million Russians living overseas. And this was before the last mobilization which saw 700'000 Plus leave. Real figure is probably nearer 1 million, and they are still leaving the ones that can. Sure, the criminal dregs of society are being killed, but they only make up a % of the total, maybe 15/20%, max, if that, the rest are all able bodied men, and they are not stupid by any means, these are the people who make up the craftsmen, drivers, medical staff, etc. without which the city's grind to a halt. The Metro in Moscow is something to see,, it moves something like 9 million Russians each and every day. Now imagine all the people needed to make that happen,,, and when they don't have the manpower to run it? Moscow seizes up. The chaos would be unbelievable, we already have seen what happened this winter when there was no heating in the apartment blocks, because the people who ran the heating system's had been conscripted. This has not happened to a great degree in Moscow / St Petersburg yet, but you can be sure that in the Republics, its a different story. Look what happened in England after Brexit, when all the migrant workers went back home...massive shortages, and cut backs in services of all kinds, but especially medical service, The same thing is happening now in Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not true,

    They just had to hold it long enough to make enough orc burgers ,to deplete other occupied territories of experienced troops ,and that's exactly whats been happening tens of thousands of Russians slaughtered for essentially nothing,and even if they get bakhmut it will be quickly retaken during the counter offensive



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,278 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Another issue I've heard is that the Ukrainians have to keep pulling back because the available cover is getting flattened. Ukraine moved back. The orcs move into the old cover they've abandoned, call it a victory and then ukraine levels what's left and occupied by the orcs. As a result there's nothing to advance into so you don't see an advances in the area by ukraine because it makes zero sense while russia uses zerg rush tactics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russia being Russia, when it came to conscription / mobilization, the local offices each had their quotas to fill ( or else) and they were not to particular who they conscripted in order to meet their quotas. So if your name appeared on their list, that was that, off you go. When Putin announced the 2nd round of mobilization's, they were quick to point out that the mistakes made in the first round, would not be repeated ( some hope.....) So Russians from all walks of Life were sucked in. But they all had one thing in common......no way to buy their way out. So yes, the Butcher, the Baker, the Candlestick Maker etc. etc. are all now being fed into the Ukrainian meat grinder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Lol you just disagreed with what I said then stated the exact same thing as me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This has to be my favourite April fools joke:

    According to reports from Hungarian sources, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said that their government plans to transfer 12 Saab Gripen fighters to Ukraine to increase the country's defense capabilities



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    It's a war and people die in war, that's the way it goes. This is a war that Russia started after all. It sounds like the guy who was killed was a piece of work anyway. When you crap on someone else's doorstep, don't be surprised when the people being crapped on eventually return the favour.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Hilarious.

    So when the orcs run out of shovels with which to storm Ukrainian trenches, they'll be storming them with rampant rabbits, strap-ons and over sized buttplugs.

    Ooh how the world's second largest army has fallen.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,571 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    You're some man for being able to create a hysterical strawman argument.

    It's actually fairly reasonable thing to suggest that poor people are going to be affected by this war disproportionately. For you to suggest that demonstrates a Russian bias is pathetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Moscow speaks through you.

    And he's only one of several university and technical college lecturers I have seen noted for conducting classes remotely from wherever their units are operating.

    That nurse who was tragically killed evacuating wounded from Bakhmut was formerly an IT worker, who like many other professionals, joined the AFU within a week of the invasion.

    Actors, musicians, athletes, surgeons, doctors... I have seen examples of all of them fighting for their country

    The absolute filth that comes out of your gob is hard to take.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    According to a Russian social media channel, while referening soledar which is a saltmine town ,of course there is tunnels under soledar,

    Doesn't mean there is any under bakhmut



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    I'll see if I can find it again, but there was a reference somewhere that the Ukrainians had access to a tunnel system in the city, which if needed, could sustain a siege scenario similar to Mauriopol.

    There is a bunker fortification setup which was constructed since last year, not sure to what extent it is considered a "tunnel" system... but might be interchanged references.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The truth doesn’t lie. If you don’t agree with the fact that people from all walks of life are fighting for Ukraine then that is your problem. You can be made see what you don’t want to see.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,571 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    "Go to your Bakhmut!" — businessman from Cherkasy Oleksandr Fatula insulted a military officer in Bukovel. Everyone should watch this video!

    Posted just today on a Ukrainian Telegram channel. This is not uncommon.

    There are plenty of Ukrainians out there with money, skills, fake ailments, or connections who have fled, or are not fighting. These are not options available to the poor.



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