Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Try this article.

The salient part is this:

So, Meghan believes everyone has a right to privacy. Apart from actually practising what she preaches, perhaps she could mention that "basic right" to Harry. He doesn't seem to have got the memo, judging from the docuseries or Spare, which drove a coach and horses through many people's "basic right to privacy", but especially his family's.

One rule for them, a different rule for everybody else. That's hypocrisy. And that's what I dislike about them.

One example springs to mind. Presumably as a married couple they talk together in private and Harry would talk about what he was going to put in Spare. Almost five years after the fact he felt he needed to address the whole who-made-who-cry debacle. He included Whatsapp messages from Kate taken from Meghans phone. Remember this is a grown man dedicating three pages of his book explaining the circumstances about what happened when a dress didn't fit his neice and because the tabloids being the tabloids got wind of it and blew it up because conflict no matter how trivial (i.e. Two people who probably had a mutual disliking for each other getting passive aggressive and pissy with each other in a text exchange) equals money for them. It is a man putting out a side to the story but doing so by using messages Kate assumed would remain private and doing so knowing that her other side to the story wouldn't be broadcast because she is clearly a dedicated stickler for the Queens template for service. It was an invasion of privacy but for all the grandiosity it was a case of "Is that it?". Meghan, dealing with her Dad and the tabloids exposing his dealing with staged photos and obviously stressed out, sobbed and fell to the floor according to Harry. Kate, post partum, probably cried as well at some point. Time ticking, things to do, smallies, stress, getting called Baby Brain, married to a violent psychopath (lol) etc. 

They would have also talked about suing ANL and following through on it. Meghan about a letter. Harry because he was hacked years earlier. They printed a letter given to them by her father who, like Harry, was giving a side to the story as well and getting money to do so. Harry, without permission, using contents of a phone to pad out a memoir so he could make lots of money.

With pleasure. Allow me

• Harry publicising the conversation that he alleged occurred between him, William and the King, about their concerns about Camilla as a wife. Very private and personal familiar stuff, hurtful to publicise it.
• Harry's revelation that he and William are circumcised. More fixation on his todger. What is it about him and his todger? I'm not remotely interested, but anyone who is needs to check out the photos of his Las Vegas jaunt.

One extra - three for the price of two offer, if you will

• Giving a blow by blow account of the late Queen's passing, something that most English people regard (even in the death of a Monarch) is an intensely private and personal event

That entire post is what is usually known as (at best) hearsay and at worst, a complete fabrication. What is it with the championing of H&M? They are hypocrites, as I have already shown with numerous examples. One rule for them, a different rule for everyone else.

Not getting along wasn't the issue. Its how that was turned into a lie by the British media and William & Kate would not correct it. Meghan did not make Meghan cry. All she had to do was say that. She didn't even have to say that she was the one that was absolutely **** to Meghan and Harry would not have had to produce the text to say what actually happened.

Bear in mind this was Meghan wedding and Kate was acting very unreasonably demanding that all the bridesmaids dress be remade 2/3 days before the wedding and refusing to bring Charlotte (like all the other mothers) to get her fitted properly. What a bitch.

You know the Great British Sewing Bee show on BBC? Talented contestants rigging up clothes/outfits within a set time frame. I am sure between the exposure a gig in creating clothes for a Royal wedding would afford brilliant sewers and the means at the disposal of a multi million pound wedding that they could find a team to wrangle up some acceptable outfits with very short notice. 

My wife got the latest edition of Bella magazine. It has a front page story and a two pager inside about how William and Kate argue and give each other the silent treatment. Kate is the stoic and William the bristling one type thing. It stems from "sources, insiders, friends close to" types. Long term married couple acting like long term married couple. It is the kind of thing you glance over and then without giving it a second thought continue on to the latest fashions, diet tips etc. I doubt William or Kate are running to their comms people to try and stop such stuff from being printed. My point is that the press will eek whatever they can from whatever crumbs they can find. Rational people dismiss it as the nature of the beast and a consequence of their profile that they deal with in their own way. Ridiculous people tell 50 million people about such stuff on TV years after the fact and also write about it again in a book years after talking about it on TV.

I think the issue here is that you are so obsessed with the wrongdoings of the British Media that you are wilfully ignoring the valid counterpoints. And there are many counterpoints. Why do you keep asking why some people in this thread dislike H&M? We are blue in the face repeating ourselves. You know full well the reasons.

I like how you too are imitating the BM by constantly twisting and massaging our words to fit your point of view. Here is an example from your post quoted here; We "hate" H&M instead of dislike, you seem quite happy to brand us in the same vein as Jeremy Clarkson in our levels of criticism.

If an editor of the DM or some other trash paper were to read this I'm sure they would offer you a job in a heartbeat. Your constant ignoring of facts that dont suit your cause is impressive as is your twisting of your opponent's opinions.

It's gas how Catherine has been well known for 20 odd years now without any stories/rumours of her being a wagon. Whereas Meghan being famous for much less time with plenty coming from previous and current sources.

Catherine is white isn't she?

Anyway I think this sheds the best light.

Buzzfeed covered that too.

Essay Incoming alert!

Experienced the narcissism, histrionics, victim playing, role reversal and gas lighting myself in a falling out with my brother and his serial bullying wife. Long story short, his wife decided to try and split me and my now wife up, failed and since they worked in the same building bullied her to the point of suicide ideation. After years of this kind of carry on (e.g. she was abusive and borderline coercively controlling with my younger brother, caused ructions between him, our older brother and his wife which almost alienated them from each other etc.) she thought she could get away with similar again when she zeroed in on us. She got exposed as a liar and went down the rather impressive route of twisting everything around on us. Their general situation and her behaviour became our situation and behaviour i.e. The gullible unwitting dimwit duped and married to the serial bully who had everyone fooled into thinking she was simply marvellous. Like superflyninja said, people wouldn't believe the sheer lengths people would desperately go to in order to cover up their behaviour and the strange part is that it was all absolutely unnecessary and unwarranted. Attempts were made to salvage what was once a close relationship with my brother (i.e. the goal was to retain some civility between us (we used to play golf regularly together) but on condition that his wife was clearly now persona non grata to me).

Our parents and her parents fell out because their son was bullying their daughter and nothing was being done about it. My brother was in complete denial about it all, mental gymnastics, cognitive dissonance, you name it. Anything but use plain common sense and see the obvious that his wife was the source of it all. Ultimately the cue for me to cut ties and deem it a lost cause not worth the effort was, instead of him being reasonable, seeing him adopting the same tactics she'd already been using such as zeroing in on things he had done himself (like getting aggressive when drunk) and applying them to me expressly because it helped their now established narrative of me being a conflict craving psychopath who is married to someone who bullied his wife. Their public aggrandising with extended friends and family now being that they avoid us for their mental health, we're evil bullies etc. Victims. No one needs that toxic carry on and those who know us know better than to believe such malignance. It's been 8 drama/histrionic free years since we spoke. I haven't seen him since 2019. We have two kids and they have two kids of similar age. None of them have met obviously and the frustrating part is that it didn't need to be that way.

It was my wife who got me interested in this really. She just loves those royal documentaries/The Crown etc. Could care less about the royal family. I thought Meghan, who like many I didn't know and deemed a blank canvas, marrying in was a net force in shaking up the archaic institution of monarchy but at the same time even I understood that it was a business, a brand and that there was a hierarchy to the thing itself. She was clearly welcomed and PR Harry who seemed a decent bloke was clearly in love. I watched the wedding and wrote them off as a couple who would be doing the whole working Royal thing for years, that with Meghan there would be benefits for diversity since she symbolised that same thing and paid no more attention to it until South Africa with Tom Bradby and Megxit soon after that. The tabloids did what the tabloids do in stirring things up. To my mind, to sell papers/attract clicks, they went with the propping them up as The Fab Four initially and then tore that down when it began emerging that it was anything but Fab behind the scenes. When you've been through the above experience then it all becomes eerily familiar watching it play out and it becomes an exercise in divide and conquer in rubbernecking a family splitting up. I personally feel like there was no interest in mediation or conflict resolution. I suspect a narrative was being built up, everything and anything useful was being latched onto waiting to be weaponised when/if it became clear they couldn’t have their cake and eat it too. I was happy to believe them but the extent of the logical fallacies/hypocrisy dents their credibility for me. I guess the interest also stems from highlighting that this kind of behaviour is widespread and the royal drama in particular is an easily digestible example of this carry on involving people most people are familiar with.

Great post- sorry to hear of your own family woes but your mental health is more important than maintaining toxic family relationships- maybe some day things will change if the years make them wiser but I believe you’re doing the right thing.

And don’t let guilt get in on you either- this decision was made to protect you and your wife’s mental health- had you not done this, you’d be in complete turmoil right now- I’ve experienced inter family issues in the past- whilst mostly resolved now, it’s not a healthy place to be. Take care.

The whole thing is rotten to the core ... even more reason why H & M should have relinquished their titles when they left, rather than crying for their children to get them.

it's amazing！

Curiouser and curiouser 🤔🤔