What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Beasty · 02-04-2023 8:26pm

One final warning .If you don't want to discuss Trump do not post in this thread as threadbans will be handed out for going off topic and in particular discussing other users

Overheal · 02-04-2023 8:36pm

Jason Chaffetz defends, 'a degenerate psychopath that truely [sic] hates the USA!'

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jason-chaffetz-totally-dismisses-trumps-post-threatening-death-and-destruction-thats-why-america-loves-the-guy/

That's why America loves the guy you see, because he alludes to vaguely terroristic threats when he's called for accountability.

Which is hilarious because Chaffetz was among the first Republicans to resign in the new Trump era stating he wanted off the "crazy train."

https://time.com/4838792/jason-chaffetz-fox-news-congress/

Fathom · 02-04-2023 10:18pm

Trump recently predicted “death and destruction” if he were indicted (posted on his Truth Social platform). He has now been indicted and must surrender to law enforcement Tuesday in NYC.

Is this the kind of talk you would expect from any of the 45 past presidents of the United States? Attempt substituting one of their names in place of Trump from Washington to Obama to see if it fits with expectations for the highest US office of public trust.

Now substitute the name of another nation’s leader like Valadimir Putin or Kim Jong-un and imagine if such threats to a nation’s citizens would be more likely to occur from them? Does this make you wonder what Trump may share in common with the last two, and not the earlier 44?

banie01 · 02-04-2023 10:50pm

Trump is facing some things in the documents case that will make Tuesday in NY seem like a parking ticket.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1642616929264492544?t=BYBwiGoynR3qTnksmN8LXw&s=19

TheIrishGrover · 02-04-2023 10:50pm

For crying out loud, they have to put people involved in the trial under protection... like a case against a mob boss. This is a former president. Protecting people against his proven violent cult.

This is not some conspiracy theory sh*t. We all saw it happen. Live on TV (Despite the lies his people try to spew here - the tourists, not insurrectionists etc) and it happened again, and again, and again.

I don't think they will riot and attempt another insurrection this time. NYPD would have no love for terrorists.

It is a strange case to start with. Building up his (Documented. Recorded) attempt to steal the election I suppose.

duploelabs · 02-04-2023 10:50pm

Specifically requested info on the head of the joint chiefs because he tried to rein in trump towards the end of his term

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/02/trump-mar-a-lago-obstruction-classified/

Overheal · 02-04-2023 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120433287#Comment_120433287

"Investigators have also asked witnesses if Trump showed a particular interest in material relating to Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, people familiar with those interviews said. Milley was appointed by Trump but drew scorn and criticism from Trump and his supporters after a series of revelations in books about Milley’s efforts to rein in Trump toward the end of his term. In 2021, Trump repeatedly complained publicly about Milley, calling him an “idiot."

"The people did not say whether investigators specified what material related to Milley they were focused on. The Post could not determine what has led prosecutors to press some witnesses on those specific points or how relevant they may be to the overall picture that Smith’s team is trying to build of Trump’s actions and intent."

Fathom · 03-04-2023 12:06am

Does anyone know why Trump named his social media platform Truth Social?

Ironically, the Communist paper in the former USSR, which was first published by the Russian SOCIAL Democratic Party in St Petersburg 5 May 1912 was called PRAVDA, which means TRUTH in English. It remained the main paper for the Communist dictatorship until the fall of the USSR when Boris Yeltson closed it 22 August 1991 (incidentally Putin was a former KGB officer).

Did Trump name his new TRUTH Social platform in admiration of Putin, whom Trump proclaimed was a “genius,” along with many other positive references?

Overheal · 03-04-2023 1:58am

”Count me out I’m done” - Lindsay Graham, Jan 6, 2021

Lindsay Graham April 2023: https://fb.watch/jFTuiiNIYJ/?mibextid=qC1gEa

TheIrishGrover · 03-04-2023 9:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120433502#Comment_120433502

I'm not one for conspiracy theories: I believe man walked on the moon. That the Earth is not flat. That the towers fell on 9/11 due do planes hitting them/damage. That Jan 6 was a failed insurrection attempt by terrorists.

BUT, y'know, it's almost as if this was their attempt for them to say whatever they want without ramifications:

"We never said this was true, your honour"

"You SAID they were True"

"No, your honour. These are 'TRUTHS'. Not truths. Nobody would believe these TRUTHS are actually true"

... It's called the Tucker Defence.

Igotadose · 03-04-2023 9:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120433462#Comment_120433462

Milley doesn't get enough credit for keeping Jan 6 from being worse. He met with his reports in advance, looked each of them in the eye and made sure they remembered they'd sworn an oath to preserve the Constitution, not any individual. He told them to remind their reports of the same thing. Woodward talks about it in one of his books.

I'm sure there were a fair few MAGA types in the military. Milley's action helped keep them in check.

Edit: Overheal's link to https://archive.is/HFZ94 mentions 'the oath' to which Milley reminded his subordinates.

Rawr · 03-04-2023 9:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120433502#Comment_120433502

It's an interesting comparison. You could even throw in 1984's "Ministry of Truth" for good measure, but I'm not inclined to give Trump too much credit in naming things based on these examples.

I feel it's down to 3 very simple / shallow reasons.

1) Conspiracy Theorists have a knack of declaring each other to be "Truth-tellers" whenever they spread their nonsense. Trump & Co are very much in that head-space. Literally calling thier lies...."Truths"

2) It needed to sound close enough to "Twitter", which it is supposed to be bargin-bin clone of.

3) It needed to have a "T" in the name. T...for Trump, because of course Trump needed his name somehow attached to it. I bet you the original name was going to be "Trump Social" and he had to be argued down to something more general.

What's even sillier is that "Truth Social" was apparently already taken by some religious group, so even with this name they hadn't even done some basic homework.

Quin_Dub · 03-04-2023 10:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120433933#Comment_120433933

Agreed - The use of "TRUTH" is all part of this right-wing story line that only they tell the truth and that only they are true Americans etc.

They've utterly corrupted the word "Patriot" in the same way.

Anyone declaring themselves a "Patriot" in the US nowadays instantly sets off my Twat-alarm because the term has just become so inextricably linked with Ring-wing morons ranting about "Socialism" and "Woke".

And not a one of them would recognise actual real Patriotism if it jumped up and punched them in the mouth.

Muahahaha · 03-04-2023 12:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120433285#Comment_120433285

I was wondering with those classified documents he was storing in Mar a Lago would the FBI have fingerprinted them when they got them back? Because from tomorrow the FBI will also have Trumps fingerprints...

everlast75 · 03-04-2023 1:16pm

Ruh roh!!

https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/1642858674652696576?t=bRk2655v-McnoYhCu9tKRQ&s=19

PropJoe10 · 03-04-2023 2:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120434788#Comment_120434788

Really hoping that this indictment opens the floodgates on the others. The precedent is set now.

Quin_Dub · 03-04-2023 2:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120434788#Comment_120434788

Linked to the earlier story about evidence that Trump personally reviewed the documents perhaps.

As the Secret Service guys are likely the only ones that are in his presence all the time and could be compelled to say what they saw.

banie01 · 03-04-2023 2:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435084#Comment_120435084

It's a damning indictment of their ethics and sense of duty that they would need to be compelled to testify rather than report it themselves in the 1st instance.

Much like Gen. Milley's pre jan.6th reminder to his officers that their loyalty is to the Constitution and not to any individual. One would hope that the Secret Service agents assigned to Trump would know their loyalty is to the office of POTUS, not to the person holding it, nor any past holders.

I'm off to have a dig and see if I can find the Secret Services policy on Ethics and if there are any mandatory reporting requirements.

Quin_Dub · 03-04-2023 2:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435147#Comment_120435147

To be fair , Trump reviewing a bunch of documents would not necessarily automatically scream "Criminal activity" , but your point stands though.

I would imagine though that Trump would have worked hard to weed out anyone that wasn't completely obsequious to him.

I can't imagine him reacting well to someone taking the view that they worked for the office of POTUS and not for him personally.

robinph · 03-04-2023 2:43pm

Trump reviewing a bunch of documents would not necessarily automatically scream "Criminal activity" ,

It would if those documents are ones that you are obligated to hand over, the body that wants them has told you to hand them over... And then you go have another shufty at them and then claim that you don't have them and never did.

looksee · 03-04-2023 2:57pm

In practical terms though the Secret Service is there to protect his person. Its not their business to know what documents he has or is reading. Even if they somehow guessed he was reading official documents, without knowing the content they could not know whether it was improper, and even if they decided it was improper, is it their job to be concerned about what documents he reads or has in his possession.

'excuse me Mr President, may I just have a look at the contents of that box to make sure you are supposed to have whatever is in it?'

charlie_says · 03-04-2023 2:59pm

Looking forward to the mugshot. I'm going to sell tshirts and assorted merch with it on to both sides of this **** show.

Expect to make *at least* 1x boards.ie user salivating lefty hivemind midwit IT/civil service/excelcel salary by the end of the year from this!

ohnonotgmail · 03-04-2023 3:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435469#Comment_120435469

NY doesnt release mug shots any more.

banie01 · 03-04-2023 3:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435469#Comment_120435469

If the NY mugshot leaks? It's potentially a gift to Trump's victim narrative,as AFAICR NY law prohibits the release of the mug shot these days.

Overheal · 03-04-2023 3:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435487#Comment_120435487

Bet you a dollar Trump releases it himself, just like he did with the search of MAL and even announcing the looming indictment

ohnonotgmail · 03-04-2023 3:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435504#Comment_120435504

Does the defendant get a copy of their mugshot? Though even if he doesn't i'm sure Trump will fake one.

banie01 · 03-04-2023 3:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435147#Comment_120435147

Self quote here just to follow up on my

I'm off to have a dig and see if I can find the Secret Services policy on Ethics and if there are any mandatory reporting requirements.

I was banging away in the Westlaw library and slowly getting info together by cross-referencing legislation with criminal code and then checking DOH info. When a thought struck me. This is surely something that an AI can answer quicker than I can?

Well, thanks to BingAI for the below and for making me feel that legal research skills are now obsolete 😳

The United States Secret Service has a reporting requirement for certain criminal activities. According to 18 U.S. Code § 3056, no personnel and operational elements of the United States Secret Service shall report to an individual other than the Director of the United States Secret Service, who shall report directly to the Secretary of Homeland Security without being required to report through any other official of the Department¹. However, this section does not specify what criminal activities must be reported.

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 03/04/2023(1) 18 U.S. Code § 3056 - Powers, authorities, and duties of United States .... https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3056 Accessed 03/04/2023.

(2) Top Secret and Secret Security Clearance Self-Reporting Requirements .... https://news.clearancejobs.com/2021/11/10/top-secret-and-secret-security-clearance-self-reporting-requirements-arent-the-same/ Accessed 03/04/2023.

(3) 18 U.S. Code § 2258A - Reporting requirements of providers. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2258A Accessed 03/04/2023.

robinph · 03-04-2023 4:05pm

So it must be reported, and if you don't report then you are in big trouble, but you should only report the things that must be reported as to report things which shouldn't be reported is also not good... But we're not going to tell you what should be reported. :)

Overheal · 03-04-2023 4:20pm

Dunno what they're asking them but it sounds like the witnesses will be instructed on that, and the fact there is no privilege argument.

So I mean what can they do but answer the questions, or refuse to answer the questions in contempt of court, or plead the fifth?

Overheal · 03-04-2023 4:45pm

Oh boy all those Hillary chickens coming home to roost

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-confronts-gop-rep-with-his-2016-plea-for-hillary-clinton-to-face-justice-why-not-demand-accountability-for-trump/

Ken Buck's argument for Clinton was:

“Lady Justice doesn’t see black or white. She doesn’t see male or female. She doesn’t see rich or poo. But soon, Lady Justice will see Hillary Clinton.”

But here he specifically says Lady Justice is supposed to see 'defendants former status in the government' and bizarrely says it's 'not blindfolded' for lady justice here for Bragg to blindfold their prosecution from such a political consideration.

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