A good state job and a big pension

Like everyone else they can claim the PS pension element and still work in private sector( many pre 95 who retired are doing this and collecting a full PS pension) or can also claim the relevant social welfare benefit (JB, illness benefit etc) like everyone else if entitled. But If they voluntary retire at 55(rather then 60) I'd have little pitty.They'd have there lump sum too so won't go hungry.

The response was in relation to post 2012-SPSPS starts who'd get no supplentary pension pre 66 yr of age.

And Pre 95 could recieve a state pension too in addition to full PS pension if they worked pre or post Public service or partime/selfemployeed(farming etc) in Private sector while in Public sector , 10 years required for entitlement, and regardless if Pre 95 die there spouse would be entitled to both state widows pension and part of their work pension.

Sorry for the missunderstanding

How do union membership and income continuance decrease public sector pension contributions?

Where my post gone? I showed the numbers. It was a nice detailed post.

It's 11% based on the numbers that @salonfire posted. But sure why you argue against your own numbers.

I haven't once made that claim. I'm baffled why you keep resorting to 12% when addressing me. I said "in the region of" based on rough maths.

1.5% gross

3.5% gross

10% after 29k (in addition to the direct payments above)

10.5% after 60k (in addition)

My number of 70k per year leaves 11% payments overall. That's within "the region of 12%".

Now perhaps, as per the previous warning, you could try being civil?

You realise that the number goes up the more you earn right? I mean, you keep just ignoring the parts you can't argue and try a new angle. Just give up already

1.5% of 100000 is 1500

3.5% of 100000 is 3500

10% between 29 and 60000 is 3100

10.5% after 60000 is 4200

12300 from 100000 = 12.3% of gross income payable on pension charges.

But hey, if you consider 11% to be "nowhere near 12" then I guess that .3% is a lot more than 12%.

Or again, you could just accept that the numbers do add up overall compared to your non existent numbers that you have said you would produce proving new entrants don't pay anywhere near 12% but haven't. You wont though because for some reason you still hold onto this barely concealed hatred.

Why only 50k? Why not 100k?

Isn't 7.3% more then you claimed? Isn't it?

Why only 3.33% ASC? To suit your agenda. Include 3.5% for the 2013 chaps. They do have you work overtime and now have a possible 10 years service.

100k gross 3.3% = 3300

98k net 4.2% = 4116

3.33% ASC above 34500 to 60000 = 849

3.6 ASC on remainder = 1440

Total payments 9705 from 10000 = 9.7%

So your numbers are again, inflated the higher the income. Not 12% yet but could be. Afterall, eventually those new gardai will get promoted. The Garda commissioner is a new entrant and earns over 200k afterall.

And i shall address your questions when you address the multiple ones you have ignored and stop with the insults.

Any reason why it wouldn't make state sector jobs redundant? With an AI bot it might actually be possible to contact "someone" outside of 10:30-12 and 2-3:30.