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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,357 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Definitely not what Stormy said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Surprised isn't the word, relieved because you never want to see **** get ugly. Hell there was a pit in my stomach that there was a nonzero chance the whole thing might go FUBAR in a number of ways.

    But I never anticipated a huge swell of supporters, all the ride or dies are sitting in jail or are on house arrest or are already in prison and on a watchlist, a whole bunch of others joined the Trucker Caravan and got completely shafted, and disaffected, and a whole bunch else waited bizarrely for the revival of JFK in Dallas to reinstate Trump as the 45th president... and they are disaffected. To think any holdouts would use their own money to show up to NY today, where they felt they had no political presence, eh. And the campaign is NOT going to spend election money to bus supporters to an arraignment of the candidate for charges related to misuse of election money in a prior electionnnnnnn...... that would be incredibly awwwwkward for his legal and his political defense. Most of Trump's support seems to be, people who sit at home, tweet, like, re-truth, etc. and have disposable cash for troll memorabilia for collector value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    The indictment has been released. 16 pages.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Don't have one, they were just showing it on the news.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,456 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Jesus, when I was indicted it was only 2 pages long...



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,358 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    His lawyers are getting very excitable.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    “Trumps indictment includes $30,000 payment to silence a doorman at one of Trump's buildings who allegedly had information about a child that Trump fathered.”


    what??



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    What's with the mannequins leg and the old phone? 😂


    Edited:




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,856 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,358 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Next action is December 4th. That's a long time for him to mind his manners.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    You would have to feel really sorry for the bicycle saddle having that lard ar*e sitting on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I hoped there would be a few more scintillating details thrown in but I guess it's pretty dry when the business record is the smoking gun.

    Ah, manhattan DA contextualizes the charges: they weren't for the hush money for 1 scandal, but 3. He also includes the Statement of Facts, which is the interesting details I wanted.

    Read the Indictment and the Statement of Facts

    Manhattan District Attorney Alvin L. Bragg, Jr. today announced the indictment of DONALD J. TRUMP, 76, for falsifying New York business records in order to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters before and after the 2016 election. During the election, TRUMP and others employed a “catch and kill” scheme to identify, purchase, and bury negative information about him and boost his electoral prospects. TRUMP then went to great lengths to hide this conduct, causing dozens of false entries in business records to conceal criminal activity, including attempts to violate state and federal election laws. 

    TRUMP is charged in a New York State Supreme Court indictment with 34 counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree.[]   

    “The People of the State of New York allege that Donald J. Trump repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal crimes that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election,” said District Attorney Bragg. “Manhattan is home to the country’s most significant business market. We cannot allow New York businesses to manipulate their records to cover up criminal conduct. As the Statement of Facts describes, the trail of money and lies exposes a pattern that, the People allege, violates one of New York’s basic and fundamental business laws. As this office has done time and time again, we today uphold our solemn responsibility to ensure that everyone stands equal before the law.” 

    According to court documents and statements made on the record in court, from August 2015 to December 2017, TRUMP orchestrated his “catch and kill” scheme through a series of payments that he then concealed through months of false business entries. 

    In one instance, American Media Inc. (“AMI”), paid $30,000 to a former Trump Tower doorman, who claimed to have a story about a child TRUMP had out of wedlock.  

    In a second instance, AMI paid $150,000 to a woman who alleged she had a sexual relationship with TRUMP. When TRUMP explicitly directed a lawyer who then worked for the Trump Organization as TRUMP’s Special Counsel (“Special Counsel”) to reimburse AMI in cash, the Special Counsel indicated to TRUMP that the payment should be made via a shell company and not by cash. AMI ultimately declined to accept reimbursement after consulting their counsel. AMI, which later admitted its conduct was unlawful in an agreement with federal prosecutors, made false entries in its business records concerning the true purpose of the $150,000 payment. 

    In a third instance – 12 days before the presidential general election – the Special Counsel wired $130,000 to an attorney for an adult film actress. The Special Counsel, who has since pleaded guilty and served time in prison for making the illegal campaign contribution, made the payment through a shell corporation funded through a bank in Manhattan.

    After winning the election, TRUMP reimbursed the Special Counsel through a series of monthly checks, first from the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust – created in New York to hold the Trump Organization’s assets during TRUMP’s presidency – and later from TRUMP’s bank account. In total, 11 checks were issued for a phony purpose. Nine of those checks were signed by TRUMP. Each check was processed by the Trump Organization and illegally disguised as a payment for legal services rendered pursuant to a non-existent retainer agreement. In total, 34 false entries were made in New York business records to conceal the initial covert $130,000 payment. Further, participants in the scheme took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the reimbursements.

     

    Assistant D.A.s Catherine McCaw (Counsel to the Investigation Division), Katherine Ellis (Major Economic Crimes Bureau), Rebecca Mangold (Major Economic Crimes Bureau), Christopher Conroy (Senior Advisor to the Investigation Division), Susan Hoffinger (Chief of the Investigation Division), and Matthew Colangelo (Senior Counsel to the District Attorney) are handling the prosecution of this case with the assistance of Peter Pope (Executive Assistant D.A.), Steven Wu (Executive Assistant D.A. and Chief of the Appeals Division), and Alan Gadlin (Deputy Chief of the Appeals Division).

    Defendant Information:

    DONALD J. TRUMP

    Palm Beach, FL

    Charges:

    • Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree, a class E felony, 34 counts

    ###

    [1] The charges contained in the indictment are merely allegations, and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. All factual recitations are derived from documents filed in court and statements made on the record in court.



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This sh1t just got real.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,357 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    It's a slam dunk case. Certainly we know the evidence of cases 2 and 3. Trump will do a plea by the end of the year to get it out of his way/



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    aww




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  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Just in case there was any question as to whether the payouts had anything to do with the election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,357 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Murdoch called off his engagement today. These two former buddies are having a bad day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump stinginess.

    And it sounds like Bragg has the cooperation of the other conspirators, Weisselberg and Cohen, who both served time and got bargain sentences, and AMI (The National Enquirer) who also skated for cooperation with investigators.

    He's right fucked in this case if his motion to dismiss fails.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,705 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its not, its a bullshit case with bullshit charges.

    Will take years to go to court even if Trump loses initially the Supreme court will throw it out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The memberberries are really kicking in right now

    Satisfying to see all that mafia **** chronologged in a statement of facts in a criminal indictment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Go on explain how it's bullshit, now that you have the Indictment and the SOF?

    Why would the Supreme Court "throw it out?" on what Constitutional clause?

    Provide the merits of your response please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "bullshit" as if 😀




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He looks real small here in a number of ways.




  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He looks real small here in a number of ways.

    At Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe. If I were using that microscope right now, I still would not be able to loacte his teeny weenie little hands.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    that's a real old quote we're on to way smaller subatomics than that 🙃




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