Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Sending UN peacekeepers and taking all troops out of disputed territory is about the only ceasefire possible.

russia won't accept any ceasefire where Ukraine doesn't give up a lot of their land and leaves russia ready to strike again when it wants as well as denies Ukraine access to arms.

Thus russia will continue to decimate both it's own economy and army while the world watches and NATO becomes more and more powerful.

If putin was reasonable, he'd have withdrawn after the 3 day plan spectacularly failed, he'd still have his oil money, but I suspect that he needs a foreign war to have an excuse to keep the russian people afraid to speak out against him.

Would the posters who want a ceasefire or peace accept the UN moving in and russia moving out?

The conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014. The conflict began when Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine and supported separatists in eastern Ukraine. The conflict has been fueled by a number of factors including historical tensions between Russia and Ukraine, ethnic divisions within Ukraine, and geopolitical interests.

While it is true that many Ukrainians are native Russian speakers, this does not mean that they support Russian aggression against Ukraine. In fact, many Ukrainians have been fighting against Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine for years. It is important to remember that the conflict in Ukraine is not simply a matter of language or ethnicity, but rather a complex geopolitical issue that requires a nuanced understanding of history, politics, and culture.

When the Ukraine Government is good and ready to talk, then they will talk, and not before. It will be their decision and theirs's alone to make. And rightly so!

Pity. You're giving away your age with this post. You had a good point, but then your post became teenagey, Genx nonsense. Have a coffee, eat some fruit, walk up and down the road outside for 10 minutes and try it again. You're letting us down here.

Lol.

Has ‘the West’ not presented him with a number of options as to how to get his gearbox fixed and he has refused them all to date?

So there was another forum troll screaming for talks.

It will be interesting to see if this will be the continuing trend in their scripts going forward.

“Let’s get them to talk!” “No more killing!” “Putin and Zelensky can be reasonable” “Common Since!!l”

I can of course be wrong about this, but my takeaway is that the Russians now know they’re peaked in this fight and will be lucky to hold their current creeping advance across Donbass. They are devouring their own army by fighting a professional AFU defence, and they must be concerned what a professional AFU offensive might do to them. If the Russians are very unlucky, a breakthrough anywhere on the lines might result in their Bakmut forces getting encircled and taken out.

The Kremlin now wants to appeal to the West’s hippy peacenik ways and inject the idea that talks are needed. Talks…so they can hold onto what they have, and buy time. Never mind them starting this conflict needlessly. Never mind the innocent lives destroyed in its execution. Never mind Putin’s leaked plans to systematically exterminate undesirable elements in Ukraine, which I fear Bucha etc.. was just a preview of. Never mind any of elements that put Putin’s Russia into the same category as Hitler’s Germany or Pol Pot’s Cambodia. We should talk “peace” with him, as if that word had any value to him what so ever.

We are being taken down another rabbit hole here by La-bev - a classical case of deflection, etc, etc, etc, etc. This Russian speaking thing has been flogged a few times in this thread and yet it is being brought up again. What has language FUNDAMENTALLY got to do with the present conflict.

some points on the above

(1) Donbas , Luhansk and Chrimea - the pro Ukr population —has been targeted and either killed , forced to leave the areas for their own safety or told to f—k off and then planted with people from Moscovy. We then hold a referendum and lo and behold it is passed by a large majority - most want to be part of Moscovy. Simple . ARE WE BEING TAKEN AS FOOLS?

(2) the English language is 100% associated with the UK so the UK have every right to attack any English speaking country- , The USA , NZ and Australia immediately comes to mind as do a lot of its ex colonies. Cricket, court structures/proceedings, etc, etc - which are very British- as practiced by a lot of the ex colonies further strengthens the ‘RIGHT’ for the UK to attack and take control of these ‘SO CALLED’ countries

La BEV - will you get up-the-yard and stay there with your tripe. By the way is the main gate at your Orwell Road pad swinging ok again?

If that defector from Putin's security team is telling the truth about his former boss' self-imposed isolation - he doesn't use a mobile, he doesn't use the Internet, he sees a limited amount of inner-circle people, you wonder who exactly is running the war - after all, the supply of information to him can be held back, skewed, falsified and manipulated to suit any purpose - and we know that Kremlinites are all about self-interests. We're in real John le Carré territory here !

Gotten into a habit of not quote posting from these trolls for that very reason.

Time is not on the side of the orcs when it comes to shell production. Western production is only just starting to ramp up.

You'd think an ex-KGB intelligence officer like Putin would recognise the potential danger of limiting your information feed to such a trickle. It seems that dictators always get themselves trapped in information bubbles and either do not notice or do not care.

Ukraine needs modern western fighters. Given how competent Ukraine's military has proven to be, I find it extraordinary how armchair experts can blithely proclaim they know Ukraine's military needs better than they do themselves.

A patriot missile battery costs $1 billion; a SAMP-T $600m. Ukraine could purchase 40-45 Australian F-18s which have modern radars, ECM and targeting pods, including plenty of spares and all the maintainance and support infrastructure for them, for a paltry $200m. That's two squadrons!

SAM batteries are a very expensive one trick pony. A multirole fighters is an air defense platform that can cover the entire country, fixed SAM batteries can't at anything like a reasonable cost.

SAM's protecting Kyiv and Odessa can't provide CAS or CAP near or at the frontline and couldn't support offensive action.

Four senior US generals/Admirals have said Ukraine needs exactly what they themselves know they need and have asked for repeatedly - modern multirole western fighters:

Admiral James G. Stavridis, former commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe

General Christopher G. Cavoli - current commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe

General Patreus, former Director of the CIA.

General Ben Hodges, former commander of the U.S. Army in Europe.

Ukraine needs those western fighters and it's unequivocal.

Now that Finland has also joined NATO, the irony of the “Finlandisation” of Ukraine away from membership of the alliance can’t be lost on anyone. Ukraine will likely join the EU down the road. NATO membership might have to wait until they get all their territory back.

Reason for that is that if Ukraine join with the Russians still occupying pre-2014 land, the entire alliance would nearly be automatically at war with Russia upon Ukraine’s membership. Ukraine could activate NATO’s collective security clause and the alliance would be obliged to engage the Russians. At least some NATO members (cough Turkey cough) would veto on those grounds. I think that’s part of the reason Cyprus can’t join the alliance. NATO would likely be at war with the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus the day afterwards.

But if Ukraine got everything back, up to the 1991 borders, then membership should happen straight away, and the frontier fortified. I fear in future, no matter what happens, Russia will need to be contained.